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Old 08-22-2018, 06:22 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The President’s own lawyer said under oath in a Federal Court that Mr. Trump instructed him beforehand to send hush money to two former mistresses to avoid negative publicity prior to his election in violation of Federal Election Law.
There was no violation of Federal Election Law here. This, according to Mark Levin. This payment had nothing to do with the election. Mark Levin thoroughly discussed this recently, cited the law, and explained why this had nothing to do with it. It was completely apart from President Trump's campaign activities. Gregg Jarrett, attorney, and Fox News legal analyst concurs. Further, Donald Trump told his attorney to be sure not to use cash, but to write a check. Does that sound like he was trying to hide something?

I don't know who your listing too, but they're wrong.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Not true. Neither case has damaged President Trump in any way. I don't care what MSNBC or CNN tells you.



This is just nonsense. Neither case has anything to do with Donald Trump, not even "Russian collusion," which is what Mueller was supposed to be "investigating." The person most damaged by these cases (other than Cohen and Manafort) is Bob Mueller ...but then, his reputation couldn't get much worse anyway.



Baseless conjecture. Are you a lawyer? Mark Levin has covered this quite extensively from a legal perspective. He has even cited campaign finance law (which your MSNBC and CNN pundits have not). Not only Mark Levin, but Gregg Jarrett, who is also quite a good attorney, and is very familiar with the laws involved which some claim Trump is in violation of.



The harsh reality is that the popular vote is meaningless, because we are a republic, comprising 50 sovereign states, not a democracy. President Trump won the large majority of the states, Hillary winning just a few. That you cannot accept that doesn't change the facts. Continuing to harp on the popular vote only makes a fool out of you.



The success of Trumps presidency, the growth in the economy, jobs, black employment, etc. will ensure him victory in 2020, as long as this continues, and there is no reason to doubt that it will.

The problem for the Democrats is they have clearly come out and proclaimed their socialism. Elizabeth Warren wants to nationalize American corporations. She has even introduced a bill to do so. Ocasio-Cortez has made no secret of her socialist plans ...free everything.

The American public is more aware than ever of the corruption in the Obama FBI and DOJ, that has been revealed by Mueller's "investigation." They know who the criminals are, the ones who abuse their power, the ones who really colluded with Russians in an attempt to deny Trump the Presidency, and guarantee Hillary victory. Too bad it didn't work. Thanks to Mueller's investigation, we know what they did. Lisa Page's text to her lover, Peter Strzok, tells us all we need to know about the depth of the corruption: "POTUS wants to know everything we are doing." She was referring to Obama, of course.

Newt Gingrich, commenting on all we have learned, said, "The Obama Administration was the most corrupt administration in American history." I believe he is correct.

Your post is nothing more than wishful thinking.
I pretty much stopped reading this at Warrens ‘Nationalzation’ of corporations. Apparently you didn’t read her proposal, just listened to Fox.

It doesn’t nationalize anything. It’s a less than stellar idea but certainly NOT nationalization.

Come back after you actually read it and digest it, until then you’re just parroting the right wing echo chamber, which by the way is full of bull snot.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:29 PM
 
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Everything is premature at this point. Mueller isn't even done his investigation. Once that's done, he'll present his findings to the House, and they'll decide what to do, if anything. Anyone hoping for a quick impeachment or anything else is totally dreaming.
Never mind that there are no grounds for impeachment. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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Campaign Finance Law violations are indeed impeachable.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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The success of Trumps presidency, the growth in the economy, jobs, black employment, etc. will ensure him victory in 2020, as long as this continues, and there is no reason to doubt that it will.
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Newt Gingrich, commenting on all we have learned, said, "The Obama Administration was the most corrupt administration in American history." I believe he is correct.
No, I don't think so. Trump has made history:

Second president to have a campaign manager convicted (Nixon was the first)
First president to have his personal lawyer plead guilty to charges related to the campaign
First president to have his deputy campaign chair, Gates, plead guilty to charges related to the campaign
First president to have his National Security Advisor plead guilty to charges

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Your post is nothing more than wishful thinking.
With convictions, guilty pleas, indictments and grand jury subpoenas a matter of indisputable fact, my post is a reasonable extrapolation of the facts as we know them.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Just like the headline says.

The Manafort/Cohen criminal outcomes have permanently damaged Trump. The USS Trump is taking on water and is listing to one side... it greatly increases the chance he won't run for reelection. These convictions have killed any chance for Trump to win in 2020. The stink of corruption is now permanently attached to Trump.

The harsh reality: Trump barely won in 2016 by a razor thin margin of less than 100,000 votes in Penn., Mich. and Wisc. Those were moderate swing voters who took a chance on Trump. Now fast forward to 2020 and imagine the campaign ads showing Manafort and Cohen behind bars, the long list of guilty pleas and convictions, etc. "Trump admin most corrupt since Nixon. You can't trust Donald Trump."

Trump's advisors will tell him he has no chance to win in 2020. Trump hates to lose, so he'll choose to not run. He'll cite a desire to return to the private sector and to make amends with his family. Trump will be a one-term wonder.
This is actually a reasonable and pretty well thought out post. First of all, some of you on the left are making progress --- you figured out that Trump will indeed be around in 2020. I could see Trump as a one term president, declare victory, take the ball, an go home.

On the other hand I could also see Trump winning again in 2020 if the economy continues to do well, if we've got some real immigration reform, and if ISIS remains dead and there are no terrorist attacks. Then you will really see the left go ballistic.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:23 AM
 
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Just like the headline says.

The Manafort/Cohen criminal outcomes have permanently damaged Trump. The USS Trump is taking on water and is listing to one side... it greatly increases the chance he won't run for reelection. These convictions have killed any chance for Trump to win in 2020. The stink of corruption is now permanently attached to Trump.
Let me play Devil's Advocate here.

He also has 2 years to "patch up the hull of the USS Trump" and right the ship. Don't forget that he's going to play the economy card awfully hard. While for the most part, all of the economic indicators are right in line with Obama's 8 years - the average American citizen doesn't get that. You can't take away from him that he hasn't sunk the economy. It is doing pretty well actually and is pretty much drawing a straight trendline from 2009 to now.

"It's the economy, stupid."

Trump has had a multitude of politically damaging scenarios play out. However, when you look at how he somehow waded through all that during the primaries and still was elected, and these problems have continued into his Presidency and his party still supports him... sadly, I don't think a 2020 loss is something to talk about. Yes, I get that he won 3 states by 100k votes. And that IS a slim margin. But, incumbents historically have an advantage. Too early to talk about 2020.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:26 AM
 
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No way Trump wins again UNLESS, Hillary is the (D) candidate. You are a fool to count that out. In that scenario, I might even vote for Trump.
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:35 AM
 
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No way Trump wins again UNLESS, Hillary is the (D) candidate. You are a fool to count that out. In that scenario, I might even vote for Trump.




Or Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Andrew Cuomo, Kirsten Gillibrabd etc
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Old 08-23-2018, 04:46 AM
 
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Or Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Andrew Cuomo, Kirsten Gillibrabd etc
If it's Booker or Cuomo, I will vote third party. I'm not a fan of Warren and not sold on the other two.
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