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Old 08-23-2018, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Why don't these fools just admit they hate themselves and the POTUS and using the power of law to get him in trouble. Its perfectly understandable without all this bs.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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It's a misdemeanor not a felony. It's happens a lot. Obama did it too and had to pay something like 700k in fines for it. Also, if paying money to help your campaign is a crime then the HRC campaign is even in more trouble for paying for the fake dossier since she ALSO colluded with Russia to do so.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.

1. It’s one thing not to report campaign contributions. Obama paid a fine for doing that. Chris Cuomo documented on his show last night that even though Trump has tried to throw shade on the Obama campaign for this, the Trump campaign actually underreported contributions on their filings to a greater extent than Obama. His campaign did the same thing, only to a greater extent. That’s bookkeeping errors and only a misdemeanor.

2. What Trump did was buy the silence of bimbos who could have hurt his campaign and hid it to affect the outcome of an election. It’s my understanding that that would be a felony. It’s the same thing that got John Eswards in trouble.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's a misdemeanor not a felony. It's happens a lot. Obama did it too and had to pay something like 700k in fines for it. Also, if paying money to help your campaign is a crime then the HRC campaign is even in more trouble for paying for the fake dossier since she ALSO colluded with Russia to do so.
$700k huh? Sure he did. That amount is incorrect and it was for a reporting error--sorry no criminal payoffs of porn stars involved.

Please post a source for that payment.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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You’re comparing apples to oranges.

1. It’s one thing not to report campaign contributions. Obama paid a fine for doing that. Chris Cuomo documented on his show last night that even though Trump has tried to throw shade on the Obama campaign for this, the Trump campaign actually underreported contributions on their filings to a greater extent than Obama. His campaign did the same thing, only to a greater extent. That’s bookkeeping errors and only a misdemeanor.

2. What Trump did was buy the silence of bimbos who could have hurt his campaign and hid it to affect the outcome of an election. It’s my understanding that that would be a felony. It’s the same thing that got John Eswards in trouble.

Democrat Logic
  • Obama convicted of breaking Law - This is OK
  • Trump has not been convicted of anything - Impeach him for the accusation.
Double standard.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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why in the heck are you even commenting on 2020? He may not even run is,true, but by the election time this will all be water under the bridge unless something about the Russia involvement causes more havic. I think right now the issue is 2018 and what happens, not 2020.
The water under the bridge is muddy, slick and very dangerous. He is sinking in the stink of his corrupt life. His lies, morals, bigotry, all around creepiness, has finally caught up with the old geezer. JMO
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Never mind that there are no grounds for impeachment. None. Zip. Zero. Nada.
As yet. None of us know a single thing about Mueller's evidence or his plans.

So for the moment, it's just as foolish to expect impeachment as it is to deny it can happen.

I seriously doubt Mueller will release his final report before the election, nor will he bring any charges against Trump if he has them. Mueller doesn't want to cause any interference in any way to the election.

But there is a time window when Trump could be impeached just after the election. The success of a vote to impeach would depend on quite a few Republicans voting for it, but the lame ducks in the GOP might decide to vote for impeachment after the election, when they have nothing to lose. Or not- a lot will depend on the election.

The Democrats don't want impeachment any more than the Republicans this year; it's too much a big hot rock no one wants to pick up until the election is over, but afterwards, there are some who may want to seize the time window and press for it, if nothing else just to see how much attitudes have changed.

I still believe Trump will quit before he will allow himself to be impeached. Can't say when it could come, though, but if he does quit, it will be this year. There are some advantages to his quitting just before election day that he may seize.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Nita, it doesn’t matter.

Even if he used his own money and didn’t report it as a campaign contribution, it’s a felony.

There's no campaign limit to using your own money, but not reporting it is a crime under election law. Any campaign related expense must be reported, and it hard to say that paying women for their silence months before an election isn’t election related.
Maybe. It could likely be shown that Trump Org makes these types of deals all the time. If it is a historical business practice then the payments would have been made without the campaign taking place and there is a good argument against it being a campaign contribution throwing the whole thing out the window.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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I really think most Americans aren’t even paying attention to these investigations anymore, it’s all becoming a blur. People are burnt out, and sick of hearing about it. CNN’s own polls have even shown this.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:49 PM
 
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Democrat Logic
  • Obama convicted of breaking Law - This is OK
  • Trump has not been convicted of anything - Impeach him for the accusation.
Double standard.
Waldokitty logic:

Stealing Bubble Gum

Serial Mass Murder


Both against the law, both exactly equally as bad.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:08 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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The water under the bridge is muddy, slick and very dangerous. He is sinking in the stink of his corrupt life. His lies, morals, bigotry, all around creepiness, has finally caught up with the old geezer. JMO
The chickens are coming home to roost.
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