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Old 08-22-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Just like the headline says.

The Manafort/Cohen criminal outcomes have permanently damaged Trump. The USS Trump is taking on water and is listing to one side... it greatly increases the chance he won't run for reelection. These convictions have killed any chance for Trump to win in 2020. The stink of corruption is now permanently attached to Trump.

The harsh reality: Trump barely won in 2016 by a razor thin margin of less than 100,000 votes in Penn., Mich. and Wisc. Those were moderate swing voters who took a chance on Trump. Now fast forward to 2020 and imagine the campaign ads showing Manafort and Cohen behind bars, the long list of guilty pleas and convictions, etc. "Trump admin most corrupt since Nixon. You can't trust Donald Trump."

Trump's advisors will tell him he has no chance to win in 2020. Trump hates to lose, so he'll choose to not run. He'll cite a desire to return to the private sector and to make amends with his family. Trump will be a one-term wonder.
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Old 08-22-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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More like I wonder if he'll make one term. Amiright? Ba dum 'tis.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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More like I wonder if he'll make one term. Amiright? Ba dum 'tis.
LOL. The Democratic establishment is reluctant to impeach or even discuss it. I think they've made the calculation that they are better off with Trump in office as a lightning rod than to remove him. He's been a good motivator for the Democrats, attracting a lot of new faces to local elections.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Just like the headline says.

The Manafort/Cohen criminal outcomes have permanently damaged Trump. The USS Trump is taking on water and is listing to one side... it greatly increases the chance he won't run for reelection. These convictions have killed any chance for Trump to win in 2020. The stink of corruption is now permanently attached to Trump.

The harsh reality: Trump barely won in 2016 by a razor thin margin of less than 100,000 votes in Penn., Mich. and Wisc. Those were moderate swing voters who took a chance on Trump. Now fast forward to 2020 and imagine the campaign ads showing Manafort and Cohen behind bars, the long list of guilty pleas and convictions, etc. "Trump admin most corrupt since Nixon. You can't trust Donald Trump."

Trump's advisors will tell him he has no chance to win in 2020. Trump hates to lose, so he'll choose to not run. He'll cite a desire to return to the private sector and to make amends with his family. Trump will be a one-term wonder.
No I definitely think he will run (and lose).

He never expected to win in 2016, but the fact that he (probably) would lose didn't stop him.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Just like the headline says.

The Manafort/Cohen criminal outcomes have permanently damaged Trump. The USS Trump is taking on water and is listing to one side... it greatly increases the chance he won't run for reelection. These convictions have killed any chance for Trump to win in 2020. The stink of corruption is now permanently attached to Trump.

The harsh reality: Trump barely won in 2016 by a razor thin margin of less than 100,000 votes in Penn., Mich. and Wisc. Those were moderate swing voters who took a chance on Trump. Now fast forward to 2020 and imagine the campaign ads showing Manafort and Cohen behind bars, the long list of guilty pleas and convictions, etc. "Trump admin most corrupt since Nixon. You can't trust Donald Trump."

Trump's advisors will tell him he has no chance to win in 2020. Trump hates to lose, so he'll choose to not run. He'll cite a desire to return to the private sector and to make amends with his family. Trump will be a one-term wonder.
why in the heck are you even commenting on 2020? He may not even run is,true, but by the election time this will all be water under the bridge unless something about the Russia involvement causes more havic. I think right now the issue is 2018 and what happens, not 2020.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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LOL. The Democratic establishment is reluctant to impeach or even discuss it. I think they've made the calculation that they are better off with Trump in office as a lightning rod than to remove him. He's been a good motivator for the Democrats, attracting a lot of new faces to local elections.
of course most are not talking impeachment right now: there are no grounds and they would be laughed out of office most likely. Now, lets talk about the really serious new faces you want to believe is important other than know nothing, baby socialist in NYork.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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LOL. The Democratic establishment is reluctant to impeach or even discuss it. I think they've made the calculation that they are better off with Trump in office as a lightning rod than to remove him. He's been a good motivator for the Democrats, attracting a lot of new faces to local elections.
Impeachment is cheap talk - because the House just needs a majority to impeach.
The obstacle is the Senate - once impeached, need a 2/3 majority to remove POTUS from office. That's a tall order.

Pelosi and Schumer know this all too well.

What's more possible/feasible is to just keep the investigations and the heat on Trump - and assuming that the Democrats take control of the House, that's what they'll do.
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Everything is premature at this point. Mueller isn't even done his investigation. Once that's done, he'll present his findings to the House, and they'll decide what to do, if anything. Anyone hoping for a quick impeachment or anything else is totally dreaming.
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Old 08-22-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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of course most are not talking impeachment right now: there are no grounds and they would be laughed out of office most likely. Now, lets talk about the really serious new faces you want to believe is important other than know nothing, baby socialist in NYork.
There’s a plausible case that could be made today that there are grounds that wasn’t apparent yesterday.

The President’s own lawyer said under oath in a Federal Court that Mr. Trump instructed him beforehand to send hush money to two former mistresses to avoid negative publicity prior to his election in violation of Federal Election Law. If corroborated, that by itself is a felony. Will impeachment happen? Of course not, because Trump still has the support of his base and the R’s in Congress will protect him at all cost until if and when it becomes apparent that he is destroying the Republican Party.

Still a long way to go, but Trump is in a much weaker position than he was just 24 hours ago.
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Old 08-22-2018, 03:29 PM
 
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IDK...President Clinton was impeached...
Good point, but Clinton's impeachment was for a personal matter not directly related to his job, and the public decided that it wasn't serious enough to deny him a 2nd term. Trump's alleged wrongdoings are far more serious and involve national security, foreign affairs, election interference, and obstruction. Also hurting Trump's chances in 2020 is a general sense among many people that he isn't fit for the job, that his temperament is wrong for the job. We'll see.
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