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Old 06-02-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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so the majority of small states are completely ignored.
In presidential elections, most states are completely ignored, regardless of size.

Early voting primary states are top dog for the first year of primary season(regardless of size). Swing states (regardless of size) are top dog in the general election- as they can vote either way.

States which aren't early primary states or swing states don't get much attention unless there is a close senate race which needs the presidential candidate to help the senate candidate.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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In presidential elections, most states are completely ignored, regardless of size.

Early voting primary states are top dog for the first year of primary season(regardless of size). Swing states (regardless of size) are top dog in the general election- as they can vote either way.

States which aren't early primary states or swing states don't get much attention unless there is a close senate race which needs the presidential candidate to help the senate candidate.
We saw the ramifications of ignoring Pennsylvania and Michigan.

They were not supposed to be swing States.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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That's absolutely false. That is pure fabrication combined with pseudo moral outrage cloaked in lies for political posturing. AOC would be proud to parrot that fabrication.

Without the EC "territories" would never have entered the union and become states without some "leveling of the playing field". Even back in the day, less populated "rural" territories did not want urban elites to run their lives.

See France/Paris for historical reference. Reading is fundamental
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We saw the ramifications of ignoring Pennsylvania and Michigan.

They were not supposed to be swing States.
But Hillary Clinton didnt ignore either of those states, she visited Pennsylvania more times than Obama did in 2012. Michigan about the same as Obama did, and more times than Trump.

You are repeating a falsehood.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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But Hillary Clinton didnt ignore either of those states, she visited Pennsylvania more times than Obama did in 2012. Michigan about the same as Obama did, and more times than Trump.

You are repeating a falsehood.
Her "surrogate's" visited. We can do this again but there is no need to further argue what a lousy candidate she was.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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That's absolutely false. That is pure fabrication combined with pseudo moral outrage cloaked in lies for political posturing. AOC would be proud to parrot that fabrication.

Without the EC "territories" would never have entered the union and become states without some "leveling of the playing field". Even back in the day, less populated "rural" territories did not want urban elites to run their lives.

See France/Paris for historical reference. Reading is fundamental
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Funny, my favorite college class was about the Constitution. It was taught by a professor who was the Democrat mayor of the town the school was located in, also the county DNC chair, I broke out my old notes and textbook. Nothing about slavery.


Next it will be to demolish all interstate highways because they were invented by Adolph Hitler.
im 100% sure the Virginia Plan,New Jersey Plan and the 3/5th compromise was taught to you in high school and college, were they not ?


So you understand how the counting of slaves contributed to how the House was proportioned and therefore how the President was chosen.

You also then understand that rural =/= less populated. Virginia was both the largest geographical state and most populous. But its largest city in 1787-1800 was Richmond, which was ranked 19th overall in population by the census.

By comparison, Massachusetts had 8 cities larger than Richimond. Far more Urban, but less populous overall. Same with New Hampshire(at the time) Connecticut, Rhode Island, and so on and so forth.

You both falsely make this a rural vs Urban debate when its far more complicated than that.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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Politics aside, I was surprised a smaller state (in population) like Nevada would want to give up whatever influence they have in Presidential elections. The electoral college was designed with states like Nevada in mind. I am really impressed that this Governor sees this and isn't just motivated by partisanship.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Her "surrogate's" visited. We can do this again but there is no need to further argue what a lousy candidate she was.
No, her actual visits. not surrogates.


You can make the argument that she didnt do well in those states without pretending she didnt go.

Again, you have heard the lie that she didnt go so much that you chose to believe the fallacy instead of doing your own research

here is an article from before the election (Nov 7th)and all the hindsight arguments were made.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hill...ry?id=43356783
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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No, her actual visits. not surrogates.


You can make the argument that she didnt do well in those states without pretending she didnt go.

Again, you have heard the lie that she didnt go so much that you chose to believe the fallacy instead of doing your own research

here is an article from before the election (Nov 7th)and all the hindsight arguments were made.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hill...ry?id=43356783
Skipped 13 states and attended 7 times more fundraiser's. For all I care we can go with that.
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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Skipped 13 states and attended 7 times more fundraiser's. For all I care we can go with that.
Why would we go with that ???????? Both sides agree some states are unwinnable and if she had won( like Trump did) you wouldnt be questioning her on not going to Idaho which she wasnt going to win anyways, or Hawaii which she did win anyways.

You can move the goal post all you want. I will even say I understand your argument( every voter everywhere), but your logic doesnt work.

Trump won without going everywhere or talking to everyvoter/
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Old 06-02-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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Why would we go with that ???????? Both sides agree some states are unwinnable and if she had won( like Trump did) you wouldnt be questioning her on not going to Idaho which she wasnt going to win anyways, or Hawaii which she did win anyways.

You can move the goal post all you want. I will even say I understand your argument( every voter everywhere), but your logic doesnt work.

Trump won without going everywhere or talking to everyvoter/
He went to 45 states. Hillary 37. She was too busy attending fundraisers.
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