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Old 06-07-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Be a snarky, or counter that the EC is part of the fabric of a representative democracy that is set by constitution in a republic. Empty snark or substance? Which is it?

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Oh look, yet another person who (falsely) thinks the EC is somehow fundamental to what a republic is (hint: it isn't).
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Be a snarky, or counter that the EC is part of the fabric of a representative democracy that is set by constitution in a republic. Empty snark or substance? Which is it?
The bolded is laughably false.

The EC is a part of OUR representative democracy since it was established in our Constitution.

Such a system is in no way fundamental to the definition of a representative democracy or a republic.

Most other representative democracies with a presidential system elect that president by national popular vote.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Let me guess... you voted for Hillary. Lol
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Starting a walkabout
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Election is over. You can't retroactively change an election.

The actual election might be over but the winner is not declared until all the electors meet and cast their ballot ( in the past 2016 election some cross voted). That is what determines the president, not the Nov 4 vote. Unless the constitution is amended.


If as travis_t points out, the FL legislature repeals the NPVIC after Nov 4 but before the electors convene in December and they vote for the republican candidate, that is what counts. Not what some states had a compact prior to Nov 4th. That carries no legal weight and will be thrown out by the SC.


I agree, all these extra-constitutional compacts are stupid. Either just amend the constitution or learn to play within the rules now in place. And I say that as an independent who actually prefers Tulsi Gabbard over Trump at present.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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No 'hopes' involved in any way. I just asked a question, which I see you did not or could not answer.
Ignorant questions don't deserve the time.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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The bolded is laughably false.

The EC is a part of OUR representative democracy since it was established in our Constitution.

Such a system is in no way fundamental to the definition of a representative democracy or a republic.

Most other representative democracies with a presidential system elect that president by national popular vote.
It should be noted that the way we elect president has changed more than once since it's start.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:35 PM
 
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The actual election might be over but the winner is not declared until all the electors meet and cast their ballot ( in the past 2016 election some cross voted). That is what determines the president, not the Nov 4 vote. Unless the constitution is amended.


If as travis_t points out, the FL legislature repeals the NPVIC after Nov 4 but before the electors convene in December and they vote for the republican candidate, that is what counts. Not what some states had a compact prior to Nov 4th. That carries no legal weight and will be thrown out by the SC.


I agree, all these extra-constitutional compacts are stupid. Either just amend the constitution or learn to play within the rules now in place. And I say that as an independent who actually prefers Tulsi Gabbard over Trump at present.
No they can not change the election after the fact. A delegate doesn't have to pick whoever was elected by the people now.
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Old 06-07-2019, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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No they can not change the election after the fact. A delegate doesn't have to pick whoever was elected by the people now.
Thats true.

Neither Trump nor Hillary won every electoral vote in the states they won popular votes in.
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Old 06-08-2019, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Nothing is gonna change you dimwit dems. Better candidates is the answer, why can't you get that? Y'all are wasting time and energy beaching about something in the past... just a reminder the 2016 election is over.

Forget the Ruskies, the EC, gerrymandering, and put your big boy pants on.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:11 AM
 
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Acknowledge I used wrong word.

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The bolded is laughably false.

The EC is a part of OUR representative democracy since it was established in our Constitution.

Such a system is in no way fundamental to the definition of a representative democracy or a republic.

Most other representative democracies with a presidential system elect that president by national popular vote.
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