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Old 06-05-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Change by "super majority", not by the changing political tides.

Using race as example is divisive, with intent.
They don't have to change the Constitution to change how they instruct their delegates to vote. They can do that the next election if they want to.

You would have to change the Constitution to stop them.
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Old 06-06-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I believe, like many others (I'm not a lawyer) the SCOTUS will answer that with a "no you can't". My cloudy crystal ball told me this.
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Old 06-06-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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I believe, like many others (I'm not a lawyer) the SCOTUS will answer that with a "no you can't". My cloudy crystal ball told me this.
While the 538 electors of the Electoral College collectively determine who wins U.S. Presidential and Vice Presidential elections, each state legislature has the ability to determine how its constitutionally-mandated electoral votes (equal to its total Congressional representation) are assigned to specific candidates.

https://electoralvotemap.com/which-s...ectoral-votes/
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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As has been pointed out in a previous thread by a poster smarter than me, the NPVIC would create some very sticky wickets.

Suppose a state (say FL) voted to join the NPVIC and throw their electoral votes to whichever candidate won the popular vote. But then a candidate (say Bernie) wins the popular vote and the R-controlled FL legislature is not happy. Shortly after the Nov. election they vote to rescind their previous vote for NPVIC, throwing their electoral votes back to the R-candidate who won the FL popular vote. This puts the R-candidate over 270, and Bernie under 270.

Is Bernie now president, or not? And is this a good system to adopt?
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Disguntal dems are challenged to put up electable candidates in the fly over states. Easier to just change the process than the product.
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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As has been pointed out in a previous thread by a poster smarter than me, the NPVIC would create some very sticky wickets.

Suppose a state (say FL) voted to join the NPVIC and throw their electoral votes to whichever candidate won the popular vote. But then a candidate (say Bernie) wins the popular vote and the R-controlled FL legislature is not happy. Shortly after the Nov. election they vote to rescind their previous vote for NPVIC, throwing their electoral votes back to the R-candidate who won the FL popular vote. This puts the R-candidate over 270, and Bernie under 270.

Is Bernie now president, or not? And is this a good system to adopt?
Election is over. You can't retroactively change an election.
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Old 06-07-2019, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Election is over. You can't retroactively change an election.
Based on what? The Constitution gives the states the right to determine distribution of their electoral votes, right? That's the whole basis of NPVIC. Where does it say it can't be changed retroactively?
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Old 06-07-2019, 03:41 PM
 
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Based on what? The Constitution gives the states the right to determine distribution of their electoral votes, right? That's the whole basis of NPVIC. Where does it say it can't be changed retroactively?
Go ahead. Place your hopes on that.
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Old 06-07-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Go ahead. Place your hopes on that.
No 'hopes' involved in any way. I just asked a question, which I see you did not or could not answer.
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Old 06-07-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Could it be that the framers set up the EC as part of an elaborate system of checks and balances? Understanding basics of our constitutional republic is simple. Why do you not get {understand} how this country was founded, why as a republic we have thrived, peacefully transferred power 45 times?
Oh look, yet another person who (falsely) thinks the EC is somehow fundamental to what a republic is (hint: it isn't).
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