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Old 06-14-2019, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Not Gerald Ford. You didn't even get that right.
Wrong, Waldo. He was first elected to the House of Representatives.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:09 PM
 
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:10 AM
 
Location: 404
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Well let’s see come November 2020. I’m predicting right now that Trump does NOT win Michigan this time.
I'm a Michigander. He will win this state and more he didn't get last time.
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Sounds like we might get a similar result as 2016.
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Old 06-15-2019, 12:58 AM
 
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I'm a Michigander. He will win this state and more he didn't get last time.
Did you miss the midterms? Republicans got shut out in Michigan.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:09 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Believe what you want to believe. We will find out November 2020

What happened in 2016 means nothing
Try looking up the word incumbent, more specifically, the noun, not the adjective.

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Old 06-15-2019, 01:16 AM
 
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All polls are accurate. Some polls don't simply count because of who they talk to.

They cannot be 100% accurate. A)you are actually depending on someone being honest and given the results of 2016 I actually have to wonder if there wasn't a lot of Democrats lying and proclaiming to be Republicans voting for Clinton.



This brings us to problem B), polls are weighted. If you poll 1000 people, 600 respondents might be D's, the other 400 are R's and numerous other variables all need to be accounted for you. This is where the accuracy can go out the window. Is your 600 D's and 400 R's an accurate representation of that demographic? e.g are average Democrats more likely to answer the poll and the phone gets hung by average R?


It's a difficult process to do accurately.
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Old 06-15-2019, 01:24 AM
 
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Did you miss the midterms? Republicans got shut out in Michigan.

It's quite normal for the opposing party to gain seats in the mid terms, the real test is if they can hold onto the House in 2020 and the the way they are going that's not looking very good.


This what is going to happen IMO. As the Democratic candidates get pared down the support for those canidates is going to shift to Sanders or some other candidate other than Biden. Biden's lead will evaporate and he will not get the nomination. Sanders or one these other crack pots will get the nomination. Trump wins....
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:44 AM
 
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I'm a Michigander. He will win this state and more he didn't get last time.
Well there you have it the one Michigan voter has spoken.

We shall see November 2020. Till then everyone keep saying whatever makes you feel better.
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Old 06-15-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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I agree that it is way too early to rely on polls.



However, I would argue that I do not see where President Trump has expanded his base.



Recall, he won the electoral college vote, mainly due to 3 'rust belt' states that Clinton essentially neglected, and by a total of 77,000 votes. That is razor thin. I will not speak of the Russian interference, documented by the Mueller Report, which indicated that, perhaps, some voters were influenced by their efforts (for it is hard to quantify).


I think we can agree that Mr. Trump will essentially keep his 'uneducated base'. Think Dunning-Kruger.



What of women? Doubtful.

What of black Americans? Even more doubtful.

What of Veterans? All talk, no improvement.

Youth? College Educated? From what I have read, he has steadily lost support.

Farmers? Some are staying with him, but others have not.



Thankfully, ours is a robust economy. Yet, there are signs of a recession. People are also realizing that the Tax Reform Act did not really benefit them, but certainly benefited the 'wealthy'. Some will realize that the future is not that bright, for anyone lower than middle class. The various trade tariffs (today India imposed new tariffs) will start to bite.



Finally, some Trump supporters from 2016 are simply realizing that Mr. Trump is a habitual liar. Even now, I hope, some are wondering "If President Trump lies about little things, can I believe him about Iran?"


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