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Old 12-13-2020, 01:07 PM
 
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A Northern Michigan judge has allowed Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to block the results of a forensic audit of Dominion machines in Antrim County, where thousands of votes for President Trump were flipped to Joe Biden.

Chief Judge Kevin A. Elsenheimer last week issued an order granting a local man, William Baily, permission for a forensic examination of the county’s 22 Dominion tabulators.

Bailey filed a complaint on Nov. 23, arguing that there was election fraud in the Republican-leaning Antrim County, along with a violation of the “purity of election clause.”

A team of seven forensic investigators associated with Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) examined the voting machines for about eight hours on Dec. 6.

Patrick Colbeck, an election challenger from Wayne County who has testified before the state legislature, told Fox Business host Lou Dobbs that Judge Elsenheimer’s order allowing Nessel and Benson to prohibit the disclosure of the forensic results was like “the cardboard up on the window” at the TCF Center in Detroit.

“All of these people who are saying there was no election fraud are going deliberately out of their way to, filing court orders to prevent the dissemination of evidence of election fraud,” he said.

https://tennesseestar.com/2020/12/13...antrim-county/

I’ll take 'Evidence of Widespread Fraud' for 81 Million, Alex.
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Old 12-14-2020, 06:07 AM
 
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Nope. Antrim County went to Trump.

This is nothing more than conspiracy BS continuing to be foisted by that Ramsland idiot who signed an affidavit that claimed Minnesota counties/precincts were evidence of fraud in Michigan.

If Dominion was manipulating the votes - how do you explain GA, where Dominion machines were used exclusively?
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Old 12-14-2020, 06:47 AM
 
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The first sentence of the OP is misleading.

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A Northern Michigan judge has allowed Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to block the results of a forensic audit of Dominion machines in Antrim County, where thousands of votes for President Trump were flipped to Joe Biden.
That's a fiction. If thousands of votes were flipped, then you wouldn't need to investigate the machine. You'd already know what happened.

Trumpers are hoping that they find something.

But, we thought the fraud was in Detroit - you know, large populous area with those Demon-o-crats in charge? But no, I guess now we are meant to believe that the fraud was in all sorts of less populous areas - areas controlled by Republican state legislature, Republican county legislature and Republican town legislature.

You know, the same way that mail-in ballot laws were changed prior to the election in GA, PA, MI and WI - by Republican State Senates, Republican State Houses and sometimes, Republican Governors.

Oh, those pesky Republicans! Changing voting laws and then suing themselves for what they did.
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Old 12-14-2020, 07:22 AM
 
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Default Judge to conduct hearing today on whether to lift protective order, release Antrim County results

There’s a gag order on the results of the dominion machine audits.

A judge is expected to hold a hearing Monday (today) morning on a lawyer’s request to lift a protective order shielding the results of a court-ordered examination of voting equipment in Antrim County

Attorney Matthew DePerno filed an emergency motion Friday with 13th Circuit Judge Kevin Elsenheimer, claiming he has "received initial preliminary results which are important for the public, the U.S. government and the Michigan Legislature to review and understand," and are "an issue of national security.”

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...on/6520916002/

Powell said last week that due to alleged foreign interference in the Nov. 3 election, “it’s more than sufficient to trigger” President Donald Trump’s executive order on foreign interference issued in 2018.

Powell asked that the latest evidence from the forensic examination be filed under seal, citing “significant implications for national security” and due to the protective order under which it was obtained. She noted that there is a hearing in the Michigan court scheduled for Monday morning on the plaintiffs’ motion to unseal the report.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/powell...e_3617261.html

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Old 12-14-2020, 07:23 AM
 
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There’s a gag order on the results of the dominion machine audits.

A judge is expected to hold a hearing Monday (today) morning on a lawyer’s request to lift a protective order shielding the results of a court-ordered examination of voting equipment in Antrim County

Attorney Matthew DePerno filed an emergency motion Friday with 13th Circuit Judge Kevin Elsenheimer, claiming he has "received initial preliminary results which are important for the public, the U.S. government and the Michigan Legislature to review and understand," and are "an issue of national security.”

https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...on/6520916002/

Powell said last week that due to alleged foreign interference in the Nov. 3 election, “it’s more than sufficient to trigger” President Donald Trump’s executive order on foreign interference issued in 2018.

Powell asked that the latest evidence from the forensic examination be filed under seal, citing “significant implications for national security” and due to the protective order under which it was obtained. She noted that there is a hearing in the Michigan court scheduled for Monday morning on the plaintiffs’ motion to unseal the report.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/powell...e_3617261.html

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Except it's all BS. Again, if Dominion was manipulating votes, how do you explain the hand re-count in GA?
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Old 12-14-2020, 07:26 AM
 
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The first sentence of the OP is misleading.


That's a fiction. If thousands of votes were flipped, then you wouldn't need to investigate the machine. You'd already know what happened.
Wrong. . .A forensic examination of the dominion machines will reveal what happened to the votes, who did what, when and where, stay tuned.
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:02 AM
 
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Wrong. . .A forensic examination of the dominion machines will reveal what happened to the votes, who did what, when and where, stay tuned.
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Your statement though is false. You have a presumption that votes were flipped. We don't know that. That's the point.

Here is a valid presumption (that would be true tomorrow):

Biden officially earned 306 Electoral Votes from the Electors and those votes seals from the state certifying those votes, therefore Biden will be Inaugurated on January 20th, 2021.

Now, do we know for sure what will happen January 20th, 2021? A meteor might wipe us all out. But that is a safe assumption. If Biden officially gets 270+ votes, he will be President on January 20th. Sure, other things might happen. Republicans objecting on January 6th during the floor count of the vote, etc etc.

But yours is pure conjecture. You have no evidence to say thousands of votes were flipped. You want that to be true, so therefore you are saying it. But it has no basis in fact.

Honestly, I'm all for investigating counting machines by a neutral third party. If Trump votes turn into Biden votes and vice versa, there's a problem. But the fact remains that hand counts of paper ballots matched the machine tallies. So, Dominion's algorithm in places where they hand counted the ballots was counting Trump votes for Trump and Biden votes for Biden.

We are at Election Day +41. Trump lost by 7M+ votes and we haven't found a single instance of a vote going the other way. Let alone the 81,000 he'd need to change a state such as PA. You don't have Vote 1 to start with. Trump lost by a larger margin in PA, WI and MI than he won by in 2016. This isn't like Florida 2000 when one state mattered and the difference was less than 1,000 votes.

Trump's supporters haven't shown a single wrong vote let alone the 103,000 in three states he'd need to win the Electoral College. All they've shown is that mail-in balloting increased turn-out of American voters for both parties. Which is not a crime. Unless, you think Americans voting is a crime?
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:03 AM
 
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Except it's all BS. Again, if Dominion was manipulating votes, how do you explain the hand re-count in GA?
If the dominion machines were programmed/set for ballots to be adjudicated then whoever is operating the machine could easily assign those scanned ballots to be voted for anyone they choose, as a recount would merely produce the same erroneous results. An audit of the machines would reveal quantity of ballots, time, location and for whom they were adjudicated.

The percentage of error rate of ballots scanned as adjudicted could also reveal if it is even possible to correct x amount of ballots in an allotted time, meaning if only 3000 ballots could be scanned in one hour and it appears that 6K were scanned in that hour, then it would not be considered user error but in fact manipulation. We shall see.
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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Your statement though is false. You have a presumption that votes were flipped. We don't know that. That's the point.
I am not presuming anything and you are right we don’t know, hence, the main reason to have the dominion machines forensically examined. We’d know if it was user error or manipulation, we shall see.
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:52 AM
 
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If the dominion machines were programmed/set for ballots to be adjudicated then whoever is operating the machine could easily assign those scanned ballots to be voted for anyone they choose, as a recount would merely produce the same erroneous results. An audit of the machines would reveal quantity of ballots, time, location and for whom they were adjudicated.

The percentage of error rate of ballots scanned as adjudicted could also reveal if it is even possible to correct x amount of ballots in an allotted time, meaning if only 3000 ballots could be scanned in one hour and it appears that 6K were scanned in that hour, then it would not be considered user error but in fact manipulation. We shall see.
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So, are you alleging that the voting machines are printing off incorrect paper ballots and the voters didn't notice, or are you claiming that the scanners are intentionally misreading the printed ballots?
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