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Old 05-21-2008, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Help me is this a possible scenario. United States sues OPEC and tries to freeze the joint refining assets they have in the United States. They sell the dollars they hold and liquidate the American assets they have via Sovereign Wealth Funds. Hmmm I think any court victory bites us big time in the rear end.
You are spot on. The only way out of this fine mes is energy independence. There are many way to accomplish this but unfortunately any/every path will require the absence of politics.

What do you think are the chances of that happening?
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Where did I mention Gov't?
You are correct it is days not years. (SOR) We have enough oil and technology now to become completely independent of World Oil influence in less than 20-30 years. What we need is the will.
Could we do it without nuclear plants and new drilling? Or must I trade my truck in for a moped. . . .
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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So what action should be taken? I thought the magical fairy dust that is the free market will set us all free? How can a true conservative propose "action" in our free markets to solve market-related problems?

I actually agree with (some) conservatives when it comes to energy. The costs are going up, which will lead to innovation and creating new markets and alternatives. Rising oil prices are a good thing, just like when wood became too expensive (b/c of scarcity and high cost of transport) and the same thing with coal. Renewable energy is the next smart thing to do. And the market, combined with smart leadership, could allow America to lead the world again. But it won't happen with an oil man in the White House.

It won't happen with an old man in the White House, either.

BTW, the oil in ANWR will (partially) feed our oil needs for 3-6 months. What then?
It called the the band on exploring for energy resources here. Open up ANWR and Colorado. Permit more drilling of our coast.

The ones crying about ANWR will probably never go their in in their life time.

The environmentalist are okay with ruining the middle east environment but not their own.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The environmentalist are okay with ruining the middle east environment but not their own.
I've always wondered what's more precious about a frozen tundra above the artic circle than a sand dessert to the true, world view, environmentalist.
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I've always wondered what's more precious about a frozen tundra above the artic circle than a sand dessert to the true, world view, environmentalist.
FYI - Nothing really. It's just that they have NO say over what happens in the Middle East.

Ken
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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FYI - Nothing really. It's just that they have NO say over what happens in the Middle East.

Ken
In a way, by refusing to drill in the arctic tundra they are destroying the dessert. . . . or have to acknowledge they're driving up the cost of oil.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:30 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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In a way, by refusing to drill in the arctic tundra they are destroying the dessert. . . . or have to acknowledge they're driving up the cost of oil.
No, the desert would be drilled in regardless (or are you REALLY proposing that it wouldn't). They are merely choosing their battles. Same thing ANY activist group does.

Ken
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