Not so Fast - Says female vote (Congress, Iran, Reagan)
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Maybe it was neither race nor gender but just HER. Maybe she was the wrong woman for the right time?
That has always been my fear. Too many past issues, too much entitlement, to much something? But she cannot say it is not fair, she will be given an opportunity to seat some of her "forfeited" delegates and she will still be complaining. Why are the demographics the way they are with education and social status dividing our country? I do not know, but it is a sad day for women when she called it "sexism".
So you'd rather McCain become president, insert a ultra-conservative judge for supreme court and overturn Roe V. Wade? That makes a whole lot of sense.
That's exactly what she would rather. I done with these idiotic forums people have no idea what this means. Signing off and to all the people out their that say they are democrats and won't vote for Obama because poor Hillary seems to think she needs it and deserves it Well come November if McSame gets in I for one will put the blame of all of you. See ya Moving on to find a forum that actually stands behind the Democratic Party and not one sore loser. Hopefully there is such a forum out there
That has always been my fear. Too many past issues, too much entitlement, to much something? But she cannot say it is not fair, she will be given an opportunity to seat some of her "forfeited" delegates and she will still be complaining. Why are the demographics the way they are with education and social status dividing our country? I do not know, but it is a sad day for women when she called it "sexism".
I can't understand why see might feel sexism is present during this race
I can't understand why see might feel sexism is present during this race
One ridiculous poster does not make a systemic problem make. Good grief. The woman has led a life of being part of the political elite for ever, she had money poured into her campaign. She had a press that had almost coronated her last year. The men who would be most likely to vote in a sexist manner are 1. religous conservatives 2. men who are or perceive themselves to be victims of affirmative action for woman or 3. blue collar men whose culture may not include many women in the workplace and she apparently is doing extremely well with all three groups. Part of breaking the glass ceiling, is that you have to convince people you are right for the job, no one breaks the glass for you. Many women on this FORUM know how hard that is to do because they have done it in their own lives.
As a white woman in her late 30's whose family comes from a blue collar background, I'm getting damn sick of hearing hearing about what 'democratic women' feel. We are not a monolith, there are a lot of democratic women who have no problem identifying as feminist (I am one of them), who take a huge issue with these women. I know several women in their 40's-60's who do not feel as the women outlined above do, some of who initially supported Hillary (and I have many good friends who voted for Hillary in the Illinois primary, for very good reasons) but would rather see Obama than McCain as president.
Great post! A statement that needed saying but the neocons can't understand individuality...they're herd animals ...."all women do this" etc., etc.,....I mean look at the OLD OLD stereotyping myth used in the OP...." a woman scorned""""
A woman scorned does a lot of thing including anything she wants !
So you'd rather McCain become president, insert a ultra-conservative judge for supreme court and overturn Roe V. Wade? That makes a whole lot of sense.
Oh, here we go. The usual campaign season scare tactic about Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court, designed to frighten women into voting for a Dem. You'd think that after decades of Roe v. Wade NOT being overturned no matter who was in office or seated at the Court, it wouldn't work or even be shamelessly trotted out by men. But, here it is! Don't be swayed, ladies.
That's exactly what she would rather. I done with these idiotic forums people have no idea what this means. Signing off and to all the people out their that say they are democrats and won't vote for Obama because poor Hillary seems to think she needs it and deserves it Well come November if McSame gets in I for one will put the blame of all of you. See ya Moving on to find a forum that actually stands behind the Democratic Party and not one sore loser. Hopefully there is such a forum out there
Ding-dong, the 'duck move on, the 'duck moved on! Ding-dong, the insulting 'duck is gone!
Oh, here we go. The usual campaign season scare tactic about Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court, designed to frighten women into voting for a Dem. You'd think that after decades of Roe v. Wade NOT being overturned no matter who was in office or seated at the Court, it wouldn't work or even be shamelessly trotted out by men. But, here it is! Don't be swayed, ladies.
I'm not swayed by this whatsoever. However, I also find that I agree more with Democratic principles than Republican principles, so I'm not going to vote Republican just because the particular Democratic candidate that I wanted (let's say for the sake of argument that I was a Hillary supporter) who happens to have a near identical policy platform as the other Democratic candidate, and has gone on record as stating that it would be better for a Democratic to be in the White House this fall, even if it isn't her, didn't win the nomination. So that is why I would chose to vote for the Dems this fall, regardless of if it is Hillary or Obama on the ticket and why I am suspicious of those who would so easily run over into the arms of the Republicans.
Oh, here we go. The usual campaign season scare tactic about Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court, designed to frighten women into voting for a Dem. You'd think that after decades of Roe v. Wade NOT being overturned no matter who was in office or seated at the Court, it wouldn't work.
I agree. Love it or hate it, let's be realistic. Roe v. Wade won't be overturned in the next 8 years, no matter who is president.
I'm not swayed by this whatsoever. However, I also find that I agree more with Democratic principles than Republican principles, so I'm not going to vote Republican just because the particular Democratic candidate that I wanted (let's say for the sake of argument that I was a Hillary supporter) who happens to have a near identical policy platform as the other Democratic candidate, and has gone on record as stating that it would be better for a Democratic to be in the White House this fall, even if it isn't her, didn't win the nomination. So that is why I would chose to vote for the Dems this fall, regardless of if it is Hillary or Obama on the ticket and why I am suspicious of those who would so easily run over into the arms of the Republicans.
j33,
Here is the problem. Y'all love to argue that Obama and Hillary have "a near identical platform" and it's foolish for us not to vote for him.
I can only speak for myself but it's not that platforms that are important to me but the PHILOSOPHY I can glean from their platforms and what they say. I take the platforms with a grain of salt. They're campaign promises, basically, and I don't believe that Hillary or Obama would be able to bring the troops home as they say they will. Frankly, I think McCain is far more realistic about that.
It is Obama's philosophy I can't abide. Not only does he promise that he and the government can fix everything fairly easily, but he moves beyond that into insisting that he will change the world! First off, I don't believe government can fix everything nor would I want it to do so. Secondly, I am very leery of a candidate (especially one with his extremely limited federal experience) who somehow wants people to believe that once he sweeps into office, everything will change, he will fix things, and then he'll move on to inspire and fix "the world." I mean, WTH???!!! It's one thing to have confidence in oneself but another to be operating from some sort of irrational la-la land.
The thing I respect most about Hillary is that she is the first to admit that the job is going to be extremely difficult. That it's going to take very hard work to accomplish anything at all. She is not proposing giveaways on nearly the scale of Obama but she is promising to lead and direct with the goal of government assisting where it can to provide stimulus for the free market to improve things. She rightly says that if she is going to work on health care, EVERYONE has to be on board or nothing will change. That is very true. Either people want the system to change or they don't. There's no effective middle way to succeed.
We know from her past experiences that Hillary is a hard worker and tenacious. She is shrewd, knows the game, and knows what can be accomplished and some of this has come from the valuable experience of failing. Yes, that IS valuable. She has worked in the private sector, for non-profits and has sat on the boards of large corporations. These experiences moderated her philosophy away from "the government will solve all of your problems" to "the government, with some smart policies, can help effect change but it's not the total answer." Hillary understands the role of the presidency in the system of checks and balances and doesn't aspire to be a world potentate.
Obama, on the other hand, seems impatient and impulsive. Even flattering biographies I've read about him say that when "action" is slow and change doesn't happen quickly, he gets bored, frustrated, and wants to move on. He was reportedly very disillusioned by the slow process of legislation in the Senate. So, after a year of it, he wants to be president. Huh?! And, the presidency isn't enough -- he wants to "change the world." Huh, again?
I cannot agree with this impatience or his philosophy of government as the salvific action for the people.
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