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Well, if it isn't true, Liberals aren't doing a good job of debunking that myth.
That "myth" only exists in the minds of Republicans and considering what Bush/Cheney have done, you could make a good case that it is the Republicans that truly hate America.
Well, if it isn't true, Liberals aren't doing a good job of debunking that myth.
That's because the folks saying "Liberals hate America" will ALWAYS say that - no matter what the facts are. It's their standard answer when they can't come up with an intelligent response.
It's the Right Wing equivalent of "Bush Lied!"
Both are brainless replies - that really say nothing.
Well, if it isn't true, Liberals aren't doing a good job of debunking that myth.
They are like skeltons, hang around and wait for the right moment. They lead you to believe one thing but do the other. No they wont debunk it because they know they are destroying America with their liberal socialist ideas.
Most liberals are anti American, facts and history proves that.
This is one of the most childish things written here. Would someone who hates America run for President? If you are gonna post something, however inane, at least ask yourself, "this is not gonna make me look like an ass, is it?"
They are like skeltons, hang around and wait for the right moment. They lead you to believe one thing but do the other. No they wont debunk it because they know they are destroying America with their liberal socialist ideas.
Most liberals are anti American, facts and history proves that.
Skeltons? Like Red Skelton?
I would love for you to show us how liberals are anti-American. Give us your facts and history. And not how SOME liberals are. How MOST liberals are. That's your statement. Back it up.
You KNOW you can't. Truth is, our country NEEDS liberal and conservative ideas. We need a balance. One side isn't trying to destroy the country. Both sides are trying to help. They just have different approaches. I could say that many conservatives have little concern for our nation's success, but I don't think they're actively trying to destroy anything. They're just more concerned with other elements (like religion or profit) to care much about the country. That's some. Not most. Not all.
They are like skeltons, hang around and wait for the right moment. They lead you to believe one thing but do the other. No they wont debunk it because they know they are destroying America with their liberal socialist ideas.
Most liberals are anti American, facts and history proves that.
Same old trash - claiming that because Liberals criticise things America is doing, it means they hate America. Liberals don't HATE AMERICA - they hate some of the THINGS AMERICA IS DOING. Don't Conservatives hate some of the things America is doing (ie Welfare and other social programs)? And yet it's OK for Conservatives to criticise THOSE aspects of America, but when Liberals criticise say - our international relations, then suddenly they hate America as a nation.
Sounds like a lame argument to me.
The fact is, Liberals love America just as much as anyone else - but they also recognize:
#1 - That other countries and other people can be good too and that sometimes they can be in the right.
#2 - America is not ALWAYS in the right. We preach high ideals, but as a nation we don't always live up to them - and that criticism of America when it does these things does NOT make one a traitor to America. The fact is - Liberals simply want America to actually live up to it's ideals rather than just preach them.
The fact is, America supports dictators all around the world. Look at the list of dictators that we've supported:
Noriega - Panama
The Shah of Iran - Iran
Papa Doc & Baby Doc - Haiti
Suharto - Indonesia
Saddam - Iraq
Batista - Cuba
This is a VERY partial list. The complete list goes on and on and on. We have even overthrown legitimate democracies to install dictators that were more friendly to the US.
Like every other powerful nation throught history, US foreign policy is meant to further US interests (economic, political, and military) - or at least the interests as whatever administration is in power sees them. It is NOT meant to spread freedom or any other "high ideal" - unless the spread of those ideals is going to directly benefit the US in one of the ways mentioned.
Conservatives generally approve of this - because they tend to view anything that is in the US's interest as being a good thing. Liberals on the other hand take a broader, less US-centric view believing that the US should do what is RIGHT - whether it is US interests or not- and sometimes what is RIGHT is NOT in the US's interest - at least not in the short run. They believe that if the US does what is RIGHT rather than what is simply in the US's immediate interests, over the long run it will work out to be MORE in the US's interests. For example - US support of Dictators all around the world is done to keep other people out of power - people that are considered to harbor anti-US views.
But consider the long-term impacts of the US supporting such dictators. Iran is a perfect example. All we really did by supporting the Shah for so long was alienate the population of Iran (who were being brutalized by the Shah's secret police, etc) so that when the time came that the Shah was overthrown, the folks coming into power were violently anti-US - to a large degree because the Shah was so closely associated with the US. We became those peoples best recruiting tool because they could point to us and proclaim us as the "Great Satan" - and the Iranians had good reason to believe them since we had helped the Shah keep them oppressed.
This happens over and over again all over the world all the time - and is STILL going on today - and Liberals do NOT like it and do NOT consider it to be in the US's long-term interests.
That does NOT make Liberals traitors or mean that they hate America. It simply means that there are things that AMERICA DOES that they hate.
I would love for you to show us how liberals are anti-American. Give us your facts and history. And not how SOME liberals are. How MOST liberals are. That's your statement. Back it up.
You KNOW you can't. Truth is, our country NEEDS liberal and conservative ideas. We need a balance. One side isn't trying to destroy the country. Both sides are trying to help. They just have different approaches. I could say that many conservatives have little concern for our nation's success, but I don't think they're actively trying to destroy anything. They're just more concerned with other elements (like religion or profit) to care much about the country. That's some. Not most. Not all.
That's EXACTLY right.
BOTH sides are needed to maintain a balance.
Too far to the left and you have a Communist regime.
Too far to the right and you've turned the country over to the NAZI's
Swaying back and forth a bit, while remaining essentially centered is JUST RIGHT.
Same old trash - claiming that because Liberals criticise things America is doing, it means they hate America. Liberals don't HATE AMERICA - they hate some of the THINGS AMERICA IS DOING. Don't Conservatives hate some of the things America is doing (ie Welfare and other social programs)? And yet it's OK for Conservatives to criticise THOSE aspects of America, but when Liberals criticise say - our international relations, then suddenly they hate America as a nation.
Sounds like a lame argument to me.
The fact is, Liberals love America just as much as anyone else - but they also recognize:
#1 - That other countries and other people can be good too and that sometimes they can be in the right.
#2 - America is not ALWAYS in the right. We preach high ideals, but as a nation we don't always live up to them - and that criticism of America when it does these things does NOT make one a traitor to America. The fact is - Liberals simply want America to actually live up to it's ideals rather than just preach them.
The fact is, America supports dictators all around the world. Look at the list of dictators that we've supported:
Noriega - Panama
The Shah of Iran - Iran
Papa Doc & Baby Doc - Haiti
Suharto - Indonesia
Saddam - Iraq
Batista - Cuba
This is a VERY partial list. The complete list goes on and on and on. We have even overthrown legitimate democracies to install dictators that were more friendly to the US.
Like every other powerful nation throught history, US foreign policy is meant to further US interests (economic, political, and military) - or at least the interests as whatever administration is in power sees them. It is NOT meant to spread freedom or any other "high ideal" - unless the spread of those ideals is going to directly benefit the US in one of the ways mentioned.
Conservatives generally approve of this - because they tend to view anything that is in the US's interest as being a good thing. Liberals on the other hand take a broader, less US-centric view believing that the US should do what is RIGHT - whether it is US interests or not- and sometimes what is RIGHT is NOT in the US's interest - at least not in the short run. They believe that if the US does what is RIGHT rather than what is simply in the US's immediate interests, over the long run it will work out to be MORE in the US's interests. For example - US support of Dictators all around the world is done to keep other people out of power - people that are considered to harbor anti-US views.
But consider the long-term impacts of the US supporting such dictators. Iran is a perfect example. All we really did by supporting the Shah for so long was alienate the population of Iran (who were being brutalized by the Shah's secret police, etc) so that when the time came that the Shah was overthrown, the folks coming into power were violently anti-US - to a large degree because the Shah was so closely associated with the US. We became those peoples best recruiting tool because they could point to us and proclaim us as the "Great Satan" - and the Iranians had good reason to believe them since we had helped the Shah keep them oppressed.
This happens over and over again all over the world all the time - and is STILL going on today - and Liberals do NOT like it and do NOT consider it to be in the US's long-term interests.
That does NOT make Liberals traitors or mean that they hate America. It simply means that there are things that AMERICA DOES that they hate.
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It is pretty obvious to me that the conservatives are scared of Obama and that the only 2 things keeping Obama alive right now are the polls and the Secret Service. The polls do not show him with a "lock" on the election as they did RFK so the conservatives and Republicans still think they have a chance in November. And the Secret Service seems to be doing their job. BUt I have no doubt that the conservatives will try to kill him and I just hope to God that he is careful going forward.
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