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Old 06-17-2008, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Since when is 51% not a majority? Wow is this going to be like 2000 again except now with electoral votes? All I am saying is if he get 51% of the votes he wins and gets the electoral votes for the states. Now from intro to stats I recall 100-51=49. Thus anyone with 51% has a majority regardless of the internals of that 51% thats it nothing else no spin just the number 51%.
Wow. Can't believe you need this explained to you. I would have thought it obvious.

If the poll has double the number of dems to reps, by your logic wouldn't that equal double the vote then? Not just 11% points?

So obviously, the more you even up those respondents, the less the dem would get, right?

I tried to make it as simple as possible for you, considering.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:16 PM
 
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Forget us amateurs and we are amateurs at best. The following is from the actual poll news release and is in the words of the pollsters:

Raleigh, N.C. – Barack Obama kicks off the general election with a 50-39 lead over John
McCain in Ohio, according to the newest survey from Public Policy Polling.
It’s a significant change from PPP’s most recent previous Ohio survey, conducted in
March, which found Obama trailing McCain 49-41 during the heart of the Jeremiah
Wright controversy.
Obama leads by equal margins among men and women, and has a four point lead with
white voters while also holding a dominant 75-21 advantage with African Americans.
The survey also found that Hillary Clinton could help him if she was on the ticket in
Ohio. 19% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for Obama if he was
her VP choice, while 15% said they would be less likely to support him.
Clinton fares better as a possible choice than Governor Ted Strickland. Even though
Strickland’s approval rating is a strong 47/26, 15% of respondents said they would be
less likely to vote for Obama if he was on the ticket, compared to just 11% who said his
inclusion would make them more likely to go for him.
“Barack Obama appears to be enjoying a strong unity bounce in Ohio,” said Dean
Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. “He begins the general election campaign in
a strong position in the state, and Ohio is one place where putting Senator Clinton on the
ticket seems likely to give him a boost.”
PPP also
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Hardly.

But I could say the same about you, couldn't I?

I do this for fun.....strictly for fun
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:24 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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Yep and the still did not tell you that the somehow called twice as many dems as republicans.

Since there is not a 2 to 1 margin of voters registered it means it is skewed at best.

Sanrene don't play into Tuborgs hand he only shows intellect when he is able to discredit something that CAN be.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:26 PM
 
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Forget us amateurs and we are amateurs at best.
Even an amateur would be able to point out the flaws in that poll.

Even a fifth-grader.

Step away from the punch-bowl Tuborg.
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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Wow. Can't believe you need this explained to you. I would have thought it obvious.

If the poll has double the number of dems to reps, by your logic wouldn't that equal double the vote then? Not just 11% points?

So obviously, the more you even up those respondents, the less the dem would get, right?

I tried to make it as simple as possible for you, considering.
grateful for your patience
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Even an amateur would be able to point out the flaws in that poll.

Even a fifth-grader.

Step away from the punch-bowl Tuborg.
According to a Pew survey taken earlier this year, 37% of Ohioans consider themselves Democrats and 25% Republicans, the rest could be considered independents or undecided. Meaning that the poll is not necessarily weighted too far in the Democrat's direction. Another interesting fact I found out....No Republican has ever lost Ohio and still won the WH.
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Let's see.

37-25 = 12
55-30 = 25

Ok. Seems even to me.
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Let's see.

37-25 = 12
55-30 = 25

Ok. Seems even to me.

Democrats--37%
Republicans-25%

That leaves 38% undecided or independent, now if the majority of those now identify with the Democratic party, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the poll could be accurately reflecting the mindset of the voters of Ohio.

Either way just a 12% party identification lead for the Democrats, in a critical swing state, spells big trouble for McCain.

Also worth noting: PPP's final pre-primary survey of Ohio got Hillary's primary margin almost exactly right.
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