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Old 07-08-2008, 07:55 AM
 
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Well-educated liberals can't think for themselves. They don't even realize they are guilty of the exact same thing they accuse the religous right of. They support Obama because its the thing to do, because they want "change" though they have no idea what kind of change they are getting. The succumb to the peer pressure that if you are smart, you vote Obama and if you are an uneducated ignorant hillbilly, you vote McCain. The real (educated) free thinkers wont go anywhere near Obama because they know how disasterous his policy will be for this economy. Though McCain isn't great, he is definately better than Obama. America will get change alright, but it won't be good.
What you have written above is what I try to focus on when I begin to worry that Obama might win. In the end, I do believe most free thinkers will be rational.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:01 AM
 
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Hmmm.. how can one be well-educated and not be able to think for themselves. Anyway, why does the right insist that people don't know the reasons why they are supporting Obama? Any real educated person would know not to vote for a man who said he doesn't know anything about the economy!!
The vast majority of universities in this country are propaganda factories for the left. They do NOT teach critical thinking. One can get a degree....even an advanced degree and not be real sharp with logic.

Go back and see what McCain said about the economy and what he has done in the Senate for the last 20 years. He knows a lot about the economy. Obama knows redistribution of wealth.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:04 AM
 
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I disagree. There are anti-Obama posters here who won't vote for Obama even if he was identified as God himself. These people can't be reasoned with and certainly don't recognize or acknowledge a valid position in opposition. So there is no dialogue that occurs, even with supporting links.

The inadequacies of Bush and McCain's support for his policies is abundantly available with a search. One doesn't lose credibility because he doesn't post links.

This is an excellent topic started by me, and addresses an insight that you can either identify with and understand or give an opinion otherwise. I don't find anyone who supports Bush, Republicans, and McCain credible after 7 years of Republican crap, lousy decision-making, ineffective policies. Support for this view is readily available which is why Bush and the Republicans are not popular at the moment.

Over 4100 soldiers have been killed and the number is increasing, all because of a Bush lie. People have had enough.
Allrighty then!

Oh, and by the way did Blair lie also? He had the same info that Bush did.

Just because soldiers are killed in a war, does not mean the war is not just. Many, many soldiers were killed in WWII. Was that worth it?
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I posted this in another thread. Lies, indeed.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Good News in Iraq

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Few American newspaper readers learned that on Saturday the last of 550 metric tons of yellowcake was shipped from Iraq to a firm in Canada. Yellowcake is milled uranium oxide, the raw material from which nuclear bombs are made. According to Norman Dombey, professor of theoretical physics at the University of Sussex in England, the yellowcake shipped from Iraq was enough to make 142 nuclear bombs. Apparently, Saddam Hussein's nuclear weapons program was rather more than a figment of Dick Cheney's fevered imagination.
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But it wasn't a big enough deal to make it beyond the newsbriefs section of most of those few newspapers which chose to report it. Evidence Saddam possessed enough material to build more than a hundred nuclear bombs undermines the media meme that he had no WMD, so it's not a story many journalists wish to revisit, new evidence or no.
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On the Fourth of July, 1,215 U.S. servicemen and women re-enlisted in the largest re-enlistment ceremony ever, conducted by Gen. David Petraeus in one of Saddam's palaces in Baghdad. Only a handful of newspapers here mentioned it.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:44 AM
 
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As I read some of these threads, I'm astounded that Republicans, stealth Hillary supporter Republicans, Conservatives, Neocons, and racists can consider themselves relevant in the discussion of who should be the next president. You were wrong in '04. You were wrong in '00. You were wrong about Bush. Bush lost every debate to Kerry, and you were wrong about that. Red states were wrong. The war was wrong, wrong, wrong. We should not be there. PERIOD. It is NOT enough to say, "well now that we're there.......", no this is absolutely ludicrous. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE THAT DECISION TO GO THERE. Incredibly flawed judgment is what Republicans represent and I find that your assessment of Barack Obama is mere fishing. The man transcends your nonsense, no question.

This election, the president will be elected by those enlightened folks who weren't foolish enough to vote for the village idiot in '04. Obama can count among his supporters the most educated in this country. He will get the vote of those who recognize the error in their ways and have corrected it. There are millions who are sick of the Republicans. Sick to death of the lies, the spins, the racism, the divisiveness, the ineffective policies, the lack of solutions to today's problems, the detached diplomacy, the arrogance and pompous ineptness. Republicans told us that George Bush deserved a second term to "finish the job." As we sit here now, we know that this was a lie. George Bush NEVER had any chance of wrapping up an ideological war that he chose to fight with guns. Now Republicans have put forth another pathetic man in McCain and the lies continue.

So fish on without effect. But remember, as a Republican or McCain supporter, you have no credibility, especially when it comes to the next President of the US: Barack Obama. Your purpose is in showing the world who the WRONG candidate is, and that's John McCain. You do that quite well.
Is Bush now limited to just the village or does much of the world see him as such?
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: OC, CA
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Im thinking the village idiot is hiding somewhere in San Francisco.

Now, the hard part would be finding him among a village of retards in SF.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:50 AM
 
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As I read some of these threads, I'm astounded that Republicans, stealth Hillary supporter Republicans, Conservatives, Neocons, and racists can consider themselves relevant in the discussion of who should be the next president. You were wrong in '04. You were wrong in '00. You were wrong about Bush. Bush lost every debate to Kerry, and you were wrong about that. Red states were wrong. The war was wrong, wrong, wrong. We should not be there. PERIOD. It is NOT enough to say, "well now that we're there.......", no this is absolutely ludicrous. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE MADE THAT DECISION TO GO THERE. Incredibly flawed judgment is what Republicans represent and I find that your assessment of Barack Obama is mere fishing. The man transcends your nonsense, no question.

This election, the president will be elected by those enlightened folks who weren't foolish enough to vote for the village idiot in '04. Obama can count among his supporters the most educated in this country. He will get the vote of those who recognize the error in their ways and have corrected it. There are millions who are sick of the Republicans. Sick to death of the lies, the spins, the racism, the divisiveness, the ineffective policies, the lack of solutions to today's problems, the detached diplomacy, the arrogance and pompous ineptness. Republicans told us that George Bush deserved a second term to "finish the job." As we sit here now, we know that this was a lie. George Bush NEVER had any chance of wrapping up an ideological war that he chose to fight with guns. Now Republicans have put forth another pathetic man in McCain and the lies continue.

So fish on without effect. But remember, as a Republican or McCain supporter, you have no credibility, especially when it comes to the next President of the US: Barack Obama. Your purpose is in showing the world who the WRONG candidate is, and that's John McCain. You do that quite well.
What a load of malarky. Get off your high horse. Are you so unaware of how the real world works that you think one party in morally superior to the other?

"This election, the president will be elected by those enlightened folks who weren't foolish enough to vote for the village idiot in '04. Obama can count among his supporters the most educated in this country. "

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Old 07-08-2008, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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Obama is just as bad as Bush was, and it takes a smart person to see past his empty speeches. Obama represents Bush 3rd term. Both had no experience and both were/will be unable to run a country.
That's awesome. I mean, to throw Bush under the bus like that, just to make Obama look bad, that is awesome.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:56 AM
 
Location: OC, CA
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That's awesome. I mean, to throw Bush under the bus like that, just to make Obama look bad, that is awesome.
Bush is horrible....Obama is horrible.....THEY ARE BOTH HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-08-2008, 04:36 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Is Bush now limited to just the village or does much of the world see him as such?
The entire free world wishes with all their heart that Bush was CONFINED to the village.
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