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You are incorrect. The language was the same, taken from the federal bill.
I am not incorrect. Where are you getting this stuff? That is absolutely contrary to everything I have ever read. Do you have copies of the Illinois state and Federal bills? Can you post them?
IN ANY EVENT, none of this changes the fact that Illinois already had/has a law which requires that medical attention be given if a fetus is born alive during an abortion. SO to suggest that by not supporting this bill, Obama is FINE and dandy with killing a baby that was born alive during an abortion is illogical. That is and was already illegal.
It is hard to believe that some of these posters are so obtuse that they cannot make that distinction. Good post!
~ButterBrownBiscuit~
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Originally Posted by KLDanford
You don't get it. What he was saying was more akin with "it's not my place - OR ANY Presidential candidate's place - to make that decision." When does life begin? That is a highly philosophical and ultimately PERSONAL decision. That is the whole idea behind pro-CHOICE.
he said it, and must live with it. just like mccain said bomb iran, and it was taken out of context for how long? people are going to take these quotes and run with them.
I would have to agree with you there, though I would probably compare it more to the "100 years in Iraq" quote, which was beaten to death and I still see people bringing it up today. The full quote is nothing like what some people want to make it out to be. Stuff like this happens every election year.
It is hard to believe that some of these posters are so obtuse that they cannot make that distinction. Good post!
~ButterBrownBiscuit~
What's hard to believe is that anyone can question whether a child crying and breathing on a delivery table is really alive. This is Barry's "too tough to call" moment.
As it turns out - and as even Mr. Obama's campaign admitted Monday to the New York Sun - the National Right to Life Committee wasn't lying; Mr. Obama was. The specific difference cited by Mr. Obama in the CBN interview was that the Illinois bill didn't contain the federal legislation's language explicitly stating that it would not "undermine Roe vs. Wade." (This was not merely off-the-cuff, as the campaign had issued a written statement to CNN in June offering the same rationale.) Not only did the bill contain the exact provision from the federal bill, but Mr. Obama voted in favor of adding it as an amendment. After the state bill was changed to be almost identical to the unanimously passed federal law, Mr. Obama voted against it.
Great research! Sure sounds like the decision not to give a live breathing, crying child have the most basic human right; that is the right to life, isn't above his pay grade after all.
What's hard to believe is that anyone can question whether a child crying and breathing on a delivery table is really alive. This is Barry's "too tough to call" moment.
This is an ignorant post. This Republican smear tactic of "Obama thinks it's ok to kill a newborn on the table!!" is COMPLETELY inaccurate and ridiculous. Get a clue. Read some of the previous posts. Read up on the legislation in question here.
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IT WAS ALREADY LAW IN ILLINOIS THAT HOSPITALS MUST PROVIDE MEDICAL TREATMENT TO A FETUS BORN ALIVE IN THE PROCESS OF AN ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!
This is an ignorant post. This Republican smear tactic of "Obama thinks it's ok to kill a newborn on the table!!" is COMPLETELY inaccurate and ridiculous. Get a clue. Read some of the previous posts. Read up on the legislation in question here.
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IT WAS ALREADY LAW IN ILLINOIS THAT HOSPITALS MUST PROVIDE MEDICAL TREATMENT TO A FETUS BORN ALIVE IN THE PROCESS OF AN ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!
Can you provide proof/documentation of that? I ask because it totally contradicts everything I have read in Senate transcripts over the past couple weeks. From all of the government and media sources your post on City Data Forum is the only thing I have heard, seen or read that states the Illinois Law requires them to receive medical treatment. So the nurses that testified before senate and the hospitals who have stated the policy was to dispose of the babies are lying for what reason?
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