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Old 09-29-2008, 08:49 AM
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Location: Wisconsin
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I live in the center of Texas. I have been singing Austin's praises, and more and more Californians and Northeasterners are coming here. We will turn blue some day down the road, just like Virginia is in the process of doing right now.

My oldest daughter and her family who are strong supporters of Obama have recently moved to San Antonio....which is also growing by leaps and bounds with "new comers." She says the same thing...someday TX will turn blue.
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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Why would they be frustrated. The life one lives is based on their own personal success and failure and not the political leanings of their state. You either or are aren't successful and party registration to most is not part of the success package. Is it the basis of your sense of self worth?

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not speaking about life frustrations. I'm simply speaking on disagreeing with people.

I think you assumed way too much.

I spoke to a couple of people from Texas who are Obama supporters and they just sigh because the people there just dont get it.

Other frustrations could possibly be racism. I've heard stories where volunteers go door to door and the residents say stuff like "Theres no way i'm voting for that N*****"
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Omaha
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I didnt know that. Are there other states that can do that?
yes, Nebraska(R) and Maine(D), although niether state has ever used this power. Hopefully that will change this year.
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Old 09-29-2008, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I hope there are lots more "blue" folks in Red states than the Republican party knows about.
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Catonsville, MD
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I've got kind of an opposite problem. I live in a really blue state (Maryland) and because it's so blue, few or no Democratic politicians come here to campaign. I'd LOVE to see them in person, but, for good reasons, it just doesn't happen here. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be living in a solid blue state, but I would like to see some national politicians here once in a blue moon.
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:44 AM
 
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Default Democrats are more prejudice about age than white people are about race.

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I think you misunderstood me. I'm not speaking about life frustrations. I'm simply speaking on disagreeing with people.

I think you assumed way too much.

I spoke to a couple of people from Texas who are Obama supporters and they just sigh because the people there just dont get it.

Other frustrations could possibly be racism. I've heard stories where volunteers go door to door and the residents say stuff like "Theres no way i'm voting for that N*****"
Ok, so it's ok for all the Liberal Democrats to be prejudice against McCain, but it's not ok to have any prejudice against Obama, right?

Follow me here for a second....most job applications have a section at the bottom that says they do not discriminate "based on age, race, gender, religion..." and so on.

Now don't get me wrong, I disagree with the people who you said have told you "Theres no way i'm voting for that N*****" and I think that kind of backwards thinking is pathetic.

But on the flip side, how pathetic is it when all of these people slam on McCain because of his age? That is a double standard....you can be prejudice towards McCain for his age, but not Obama for his race.

It's just not right. It's the same kind of prejudice, and I think it all needs to go away. McCain is a warrior, and has seen more in his life than Obama ever will, since he spent most of his young adult life behind books, whereas McCain spent most of his fighting for this country. With age comes wisdom, so with that in mind, all the prejudice attitudes need to go away, and it's not just the "white" people that have them.
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:54 AM
 
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Ok, so it's ok for all the Liberal Democrats to be prejudice against McCain, but it's not ok to have any prejudice against Obama, right?

Follow me here for a second....most job applications have a section at the bottom that says they do not discriminate "based on age, race, gender, religion..." and so on.

Now don't get me wrong, I disagree with the people who you said have told you "Theres no way i'm voting for that N*****" and I think that kind of backwards thinking is pathetic.

But on the flip side, how pathetic is it when all of these people slam on McCain because of his age? That is a double standard....you can be prejudice towards McCain for his age, but not Obama for his race.

It's just not right. It's the same kind of prejudice, and I think it all needs to go away. McCain is a warrior, and has seen more in his life than Obama ever will, since he spent most of his young adult life behind books, whereas McCain spent most of his fighting for this country. With age comes wisdom, so with that in mind, all the prejudice attitudes need to go away, and it's not just the "white" people that have them.
To the extent that there is a difference it is that as many, but not all, people age, their abilitites to remember, think, and endure the physical toll of a long day, diminish. Almost everyone has seen it happen in their families and among people they know. The same is not true when it comes to making assessments of people based on their race.

Having said that, it's not fair to dismiss John McCain because of his age, absent some evidence that he's losing his edge in some way. But his bizarre decision to ditch the debate and then show up as if nothing had happened may make people wonder about that.
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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But on the flip side, how pathetic is it when all of these people slam on McCain because of his age? That is a double standard....you can be prejudice towards McCain for his age, but not Obama for his race.
I certainly feel I have that right--I'm his age and I know what happens when you start to reach this age. IMO, he's too old to be taking on a stressful job like POTUS. It's a job that ages and wears on everyone who takes it on... and he'd have to do it for four years.

It's a legitimate concern.

Old age creeps up on you. And you're always the last to know when your mind isn't quite as sharp as it once was. I'm still thinking clearly 90% of the time. A lot of times I think: So what! Hey, that's better than a lot of you young people who don't seem to think clearly at all! But the truth is, it means 10% of the time I make dumb decisions. And I don't realize it at the time.

Now take that problem and add a tendency to make impulsive surprise announcements. It's a scary thought.

The scariest thing is how suddenly you can go downhill. McCain might be a great leader for the first year or so--but four years is a long time. What are we going to do if he starts to lose it? Dementia is hard to diagnose, where is the dividing line? When do his advisors or the VP overrule him--and what happens if McCain tries to fight it. Because nobody likes to be told they are losing their judgement.

And can you imagine Sarah Palin trying to tell him to step down? She'd have to shoot him.

72 is old. He might still be just fine by the end of 4 years. But maybe not.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:00 AM
 
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Ok, so it's ok for all the Liberal Democrats to be prejudice against McCain, but it's not ok to have any prejudice against Obama, right?

Follow me here for a second....most job applications have a section at the bottom that says they do not discriminate "based on age, race, gender, religion..." and so on.

Now don't get me wrong, I disagree with the people who you said have told you "Theres no way i'm voting for that N*****" and I think that kind of backwards thinking is pathetic.

But on the flip side, how pathetic is it when all of these people slam on McCain because of his age? That is a double standard....you can be prejudice towards McCain for his age, but not Obama for his race.

It's just not right. It's the same kind of prejudice, and I think it all needs to go away. McCain is a warrior, and has seen more in his life than Obama ever will, since he spent most of his young adult life behind books, whereas McCain spent most of his fighting for this country. With age comes wisdom, so with that in mind, all the prejudice attitudes need to go away, and it's not just the "white" people that have them.

I stopped reading right here.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Im the frustrated one... I see red and blue and no one is realizing the candidates offer virtually the same thing. It seems neither democrats or Republicans have people that represent their views. it is totally weird. You have a socialist on the democrat side and a very moderate but hawkish republican. They both support the war, think Iran is an issue, want nuke power, are for bug business, think the bail out is required, support the wire tapping and removal of privacy provisions, they want to expand the war in afganistan, won't affect the deficit or make it worse, will not reduce the price of fuel for Americans... and right down the line.
We have never seen two candidates that are more similar. They shoould be running mates.. that would at least resolve the Sarah Palin issue.

And no one seems to notice..... Am I the only person in America that is seeing this? Do people really believe what we have is good right now? is this nation better off now than it was 8 years ago?

I understand being the died in the wool republican or democrat, but havent you noticed the candidates arent what they claim? I have voted democrat when all things have been equal just because it has been my party of choice. But now I see a horrible situation for America and think the very fabric of our existance is being threatened... the Constitution. and its threat is not from terrorist but our politicians that thrust us towards Socialism. I don't think that is the way.

maybe everyone really wants to be socialists. Maybe the Constitution is a GodDa## piece of paper like Bush says. maybe it is too antiquated for this technical world. Maybe our safety will be secured by tagging and scanning us. maybe Orwells time is at hand.

Frustrated? it seems people have lost touch with what made America great. It seems fear has overtaken their value for thei Constitution. People in the past made statements like "The only thing to fear , is fear itself" Or "give me Liberty, or Give me Death" It seems better to die at the hands of terrorist and tyrants than to live under their rule. What do we do when they are our own? Isn't a statement like "it's only a GD piece of paper treason when made by the person sworn to uphold that piece of paper? Am I the only one that takes offense to this?

I wish I saw Green on the map and way less red and blue, those colors are not our patriots any longer. Yes I know what frustration is. Watching as the rule of voting is thrown out by people that cheat the system. Watching the Supreme Court invalidate our basic democratic right. My frustration started 8 years ago and continues today as we prepare for more of the same.

God Bless America, we need it.
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