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Bin Laden/Al Qaeda spent at most a few million dollars and likely substantially less to carry out 9-11, they are still functionally at large and Bin Laden is where again?
The US has spent upwards of 2 trillion dollars on the face, plus several hundred billion more expanding the federal government, enacting sweeping new laws, created new departments and organizations, changed its entire society, ran up exorbitant deficits, spent thousands of lives more than were killed on 9-11.
Who if anyone is actually "winning" anything here?
It would seem to be prudent for people to read up on "The Afghan Trap", laid by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carters National Security adviser) to catch the former Soviet Union and give them their own Vietnam.
Bin Laden/Al Qaeda spent at most a few million dollars and likely substantially less to carry out 9-11, they are still functionally at large and Bin Laden is where again?
The US has spent upwards of 2 trillion dollars on the face, plus several hundred billion more expanding the federal government, enacting sweeping new laws, created new departments and organizations, changed its entire society, ran up exorbitant deficits, spent thousands of lives more than were killed on 9-11.
Who if anyone is actually "winning" anything here?
It would seem to be prudent for people to read up on "The Afghan Trap", laid by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carters National Security adviser) to catch the former Soviet Union and give them their own Vietnam.
Hurrrrrr.
Rational arguments have stopped working. Even when our own intelligence agencies, the 9/11 Commission, and mid east experts come out and tell us that our involvement in these countries fuel terrorism, the answer that always comes from the GOP and even many Democrats is more involvement and more bombing and invasions. It seems counterproductive to reducing terrorism, IMO.
Rational arguments have stopped working. Even when our own intelligence agencies, the 9/11 Commission, and mid east experts come out and tell us that our involvement in these countries fuel terrorism, the answer that always comes from the GOP and even many Democrats is more involvement and more bombing and invasions. It seems counterproductive to reducing terrorism, IMO.
Well we certainly have viable interest in the region and there also must be some measured response when we are attacked by anyone. Whether we like it or not, the US is beholden to the Middle East's energy reserves thanks largely to the Carter doctrine and every subsequent President since.
In any event and contrary to many folks views here, I don't see Obama as the Moses of America leading his people out of the desert. I'll wager that at the end of Obama's time in office that US troops will still be in Iraq, will still be in Afghanistan, and very well may be someplace as of yet unforeseen. While he may not hold the imperial views of McCain, I see less substantive difference between the two concerning our Middle East policies than most people do. I'm not sure I have ever heard Obama mention cutting defense spending yet, although he may have and I just didn't hear it.
Well we certainly have viable interest in the region and there also must be some measured response when we are attacked by anyone. Whether we like it or not, the US is beholden to the Middle East's energy reserves thanks largely to the Carter doctrine and every subsequent President since.
In any event and contrary to many folks views here, I don't see Obama as the Moses of America leading his people out of the desert. I'll wager that at the end of Obama's time in office that US troops will still be in Iraq, will still be in Afghanistan, and very well may be someplace as of yet unforeseen. While he may not hold the imperial views of McCain, I see less substantive difference between the two concerning our Middle East policies than most people do. I'm not sure I have ever heard Obama mention cutting defense spending yet, although he may have and I just didn't hear it.
Obama has said he wants to decrease the military budget eliminating programs that aren't working. Of course, that's his answer for everything, so I really don't know that we'll see any real improvement in relations with those in the middle east.
I understand our interests there. However, like Washington told us, we can trade with nations, but entangling alliances are never acceptable. Israel. hehe.
Bin Laden/Al Qaeda spent at most a few million dollars and likely substantially less to carry out 9-11, they are still functionally at large and Bin Laden is where again?
The US has spent upwards of 2 trillion dollars on the face, plus several hundred billion more expanding the federal government, enacting sweeping new laws, created new departments and organizations, changed its entire society, ran up exorbitant deficits, spent thousands of lives more than were killed on 9-11.
Who if anyone is actually "winning" anything here?
It would seem to be prudent for people to read up on "The Afghan Trap", laid by Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carters National Security adviser) to catch the former Soviet Union and give them their own Vietnam.
This is a direct quote from the Osama Bin Laden video of October, 2004:
[It is] easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there and cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses ... This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.
Think about it, anyone in Al-Qaeda comes out and says they endorse Nobama and a lot of people get scared and vote McCain.
Too funny! We Obamaites aren't motivated by fear, that's your side of the farm. Unlike the you folks we know where the central war on terror is and we have an idea of how to conduct it. Here's a hint, it ain't Eyerack!
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