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You may or may not have noted that I, as a socialist, support enough government regulation to encourage business creation by preventing existing business from colluding to restrict market entry or any other forms of market distortion. I also believe that "natural monopolies" like electric utilities should be government owned so the power could be provided at the cost of generation without the cost of profit or excessive executive salaries.
Having real equal opportunity for advancement regardless of your wealth, parentage or club membership is another of my goals. I believe that individuals as well as society are best served by a meritocracy instead of a crony capitalist system.
Finally which of Comet Voyager’s predictions have come true?
In other words you're interested in destroying the economy and future of America? I also believe your claim that government can provide energy at the cost of generation is both false and not based on any facts,data, or any other form of information to prove such an assertion.
I do, indeed want to destroy the "borrow and spend" America instituted by your Republican Saint, Ronnie Raygun. I want a "pay as you go" government funded by a steeply progressive with a high base deductable income tax set to cover each year’s expenses. I want to restore working and middle class prosperity even if it costs the business class much of its loot. Somebody has to pay taxes and I prefer it was them.
For what it is worth the TVA and Power Authority of NY produces power at cost that was resold by private utilities at their cost of generation and huge profit.
In other words you're interested in destroying the economy and future of America? I also believe your claim that government can provide energy at the cost of generation is both false and not based on any facts,data, or any other form of information to prove such an assertion.
And to add to what Greg said - the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) which operates major West Coast dams (including the largest in the USA) also produces power and sells it at cost to private companies which then make a profit from it by reselling it. The idea that government can't function as efficiently as private industry is a bunch of ignorant bullsh*t. Now, I'm not saying that government always DOES - but that doesn't mean it CAN'T - and BPA is a prime example. The Pacific Northwest has some of the cheapest electric rates in the entire country - and the lions share of it comes from the BPA.
"The Bonneville Power Administration is a self-financed federal agency under the Department of Energy. It is not funded by taxpayers and receives no annual appropriations from Congress.
BPA funds all ongoing operations and repays the Federal investment in the Federal Columbia River Power System through the sale of wholesale electricity and transmission services. The federal system provides about one-third of the Pacific Northwest's electric energy and three-fourths of its high voltage transmission.
BPA is a not-for-profit agency. It is legally mandated to recover all of its costs in the rates it charges customers for wholesale electricity and transmission services. The agency is committed to careful cost management consistent with its legal obligations, sound business practice and environmental stewardship."
I do, indeed want to destroy the "borrow and spend" America instituted by your Republican Saint, Ronnie Raygun. I want a "pay as you go" government funded by a steeply progressive with a high base deductable income tax set to cover each year’s expenses. I want to restore working and middle class prosperity even if it costs the business class much of its loot. Somebody has to pay taxes and I prefer it was them.
For what it is worth the TVA and Power Authority of NY produces power at cost that was resold by private utilities at their cost of generation and huge profit.
You do realize that if business pays high taxes like you're hoping for it just gets passed on to you the consumer right? Business doesn't pay tax, they collect it from us.
I did not mention business taxes. I was talking about personal income taxes. In fact I do not think business should pay taxes even on retained earnings (I am still thinking about this). I think the dividends should be taxed as personal income of the recipient as I have described elsewhere.
Thinking about this I conclude that if a corporation considers itself to be a legal individual they it would pay income tax on retained earnings at the individual tax rate.
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July 6, 2009. To be perfectly honest, I had never heard of Obama when this prediction was made. He has since been elected and sworn in as president and has strived, from that day forward to breathe life into these prophesies.
Some of the comments expressed in 2007 ridiculed the poster's foresight. I would be very interested to know if they have since had a change of heart or do they continue to swear an undying alligence to this man who promised to bring them change. A 'change' I might add that was not defined during the campaign. These people were led to believe that their candidate would bring changes to their personal lives; the way they live, the jobs they work and their station in life. Unfortunately, those who voted for this man had no idea that 'change' meant a 'change' in our form of government, a change in our freedom and a change that would futher erode our existing conditions.
Say goodnight to America! For over two hundred years, she stood tall in the face of adversity and success, she was proud in the way the group conscience ruled for fairness and equality and she died at the hands of a traitor in the most infamous act of treason that the world would ever witness. To say it was all in vain would be assuming that the human spirit has been conquered by the evil forces that are so prevelent in this modern age. We have proven since the day time began, that while the human spirit may take a deep breath, it will never die.
And to add to what Greg said - the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA) which operates major West Coast dams (including the largest in the USA) also produces power and sells it at cost to private companies which then make a profit from it by reselling it. The idea that government can't function as efficiently as private industry is a bunch of ignorant bullsh*t. Now, I'm not saying that government always DOES - but that doesn't mean it CAN'T - and BPA is a prime example. The Pacific Northwest has some of the cheapest electric rates in the entire country - and the lions share of it comes from the BPA.
"The Bonneville Power Administration is a self-financed federal agency under the Department of Energy. It is not funded by taxpayers and receives no annual appropriations from Congress.
BPA funds all ongoing operations and repays the Federal investment in the Federal Columbia River Power System through the sale of wholesale electricity and transmission services. The federal system provides about one-third of the Pacific Northwest's electric energy and three-fourths of its high voltage transmission.
BPA is a not-for-profit agency. It is legally mandated to recover all of its costs in the rates it charges customers for wholesale electricity and transmission services. The agency is committed to careful cost management consistent with its legal obligations, sound business practice and environmental stewardship."
Good grief, what makes you think that they could maintain the same cost ratio if it was spread through the WHOLE country? Come on give me a break.
First of all, did I EVER say they could provide energy through the WHOLE country at the same cost ratio?
I was merely responding to YOUR comment that the government cannot produce energy at cost - which is absolutely WRONG - as both the BPA and the TVA do that ALL THE TIME (and provide the cheapest power in the entire country in the process).
As for the rest of the country - well, as I said, I never made that statement, but clearly the government CAN provide cheap energy. Whether or not they actually WOULD provide cheap energy is a whole 'nother question.
The idea that government CAN'T do anything effectively is just plain stupid and ignorant. For all the stories of government inefficiency the fact is, there are PLENTY of grossly inefficient private companies out there as well - not the small nimble little companies mind you, but the giant mega-corporations are - companies that are probably just as bloated and inefficient as any government but their very mass and the inertial that affords them keeps them going long after they've stopped being efficient. Anyone who's worked for a really big corporation can tell you gobs of stories of how truly messed up that corporation really is.
I'm sure others are all over this (I didn't read through the thread), but this is just the most absurd, paranoid nonsense .. the sad thing is, I know that somewhere between 5% and 20% of the American population agree with this garbage. Why the f*** would Obama, a ciggarrette smoker, make smoking a felony?
I am an Obama supporter, as well as an enlisted Army soldier, a patriot, a smoker, a Catholic, and a whole list of other things. Get over your ridiculous idiotology. Turn of the Rush. Pick up a book, you .. a real book, not an Anne Coulter comic book.
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Originally Posted by CometVoyager
If Obama wins and serves 2 terms here are some predictions;
Private Property Ownership by Middle Class or Low Income Individuals will no longer exist.
Oil and all energy companies will be nationalized.
All major transportation companies will be nationalized.
There will be no private Health Insurance as the government will decide upon who gets care.
Israel will cease to exist as a Jewish State
Americans will no longer to travel freely and will need permission from a government official.
All Media using the Air Waves will be controlled and reviewed by Obama's Political Party.
Savings Accounts, 401ks and all retirement accounts will be run and managed by the government and you will require the governments permission to withdraw your money.
Christmas will no longer be a national holiday.
The Pledge of Allegiance will no longer have "Under God".
Your medical records will be managed and controlled by the government.
Reparations will be paid to all Black People who had ancestors that were slaves.
You will no longer have the right to own a firearm.
Eating Beef and other live stock will be severely restricted.
Smoking Cigarettes will become a felony.
Homosexuality, Trans-sexuality as well as other deviant sexual behaviors will be taught in elementary schools.
Jewish and Christian worship will be strictly regulated by the government.
So far CV is 0 for 17. None of the predictions have, and I do not believe, will happen.
This list is a great insight into our opposition and I would like to thank CV for providing this information.
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Business doesn't pay tax, they collect it from us.
