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Old 10-25-2008, 08:41 PM
 
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1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
FAIR: Immigration and Welfare (http://tinyurl.com/zob77 - broken link)
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Center for Immigration Studies
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens
Center for Immigration Studies
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html (broken link)
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
CNN.com - Transcripts
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens
CNN.com - Transcripts
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html (broken link)
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
CNN.com - Transcripts
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht (http://tinyurl.com/t9sht - broken link)
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .
www.drdsk.com/articleshtml (http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml - broken link)

]The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
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Old 10-25-2008, 08:50 PM
LML
 
Location: Wisconsin
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1+ Trillion dollars bailing out the richest Americans on Wall Street.
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Old 10-25-2008, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Ten billion A MONTH to fight a war for oil that we didn't get!
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:30 AM
 
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Default Can a liberal stay on topic ever???

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Ten billion A MONTH to fight a war for oil that we didn't get!
Again, does anyone want to debate this issue I brought up, or just detract from it in typical liberal fashion so as to avoid the original topic that I actually wanted to debate??

If you want to debate the war in Iraq and it's cost, that is great, there are 1500 threads started in which to do so.

So now, back to the topic, which candidate is going to solve the illegal immigrant issue? It's one of many that is costing you, me and every other taxpayer billions a year. Who's going to tackle it??
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:32 AM
 
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1+ Trillion dollars bailing out the richest Americans on Wall Street.

I disagree with the bailout 100%, can we now get back on topic to what I wanted to debate, which is illegal immigration??
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Obama will do a better job of solving this. Both candidates want to give amnesty to illegals already here who are working and staying out of trouble- a position which I support too - but Obama wants to impose harsh new penalties against employers of illegals in the future and McCain is opposed to penalizing people who hire illegals and thinks a better fence will keep them at bay.
The fact is that it is JOBS that are attracting them here and if we cut off the jobs, 95% of them will not be coming here. In fact, because the construction industry jobs have dried up, there are far fewer of them sneaking in this year. So Obama has the better plan.
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
FAIR: Immigration and Welfare (http://tinyurl.com/zob77 - broken link)
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Center for Immigration Studies
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens
Center for Immigration Studies
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html (broken link)
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
CNN.com - Transcripts
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens
CNN.com - Transcripts
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html (broken link)
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
CNN.com - Transcripts
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.
CNN.com - Transcripts
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht (http://tinyurl.com/t9sht - broken link)
12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .
www.drdsk.com/articleshtml (http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml - broken link)

]The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
You seem don't like aliens. Am I wrong?
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:57 AM
 
Location: NY
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So now, back to the topic, which candidate is going to solve the illegal immigrant issue? It's one of many that is costing you, me and every other taxpayer billions a year. Who's going to tackle it??
Sadly, I fear neither of them will solve it, if by solving it you mean reach a fair and equitable solution for all concerned, because IMO that's no longer possible. Which would be most likely to TRY to do anything about it? Frankly, whichever one is less concerned about getting a second term. That's probably McCain. However, I'm so against that particular ticket that I'd be willing to sacrifice the immigration problem for the next 4 years on the altar of keeping McPalin out of the White House. Why? Because I honestly doubt that ANYTHING substantive WHATEVER will be done about the illegal immigration issue between now and the 2012 election anyway. It'll just continue as status quo (which I agree is sickening) no matter which candidate wins. But the next administration will be too caught up in the triple bogeys of the economy, Iraq, and other new Middle Eastern political situations to be able to give it a second thought. Immigration will become the "poor orphan relation" until the others are sorted out and brought under control. Sad but IMO will be true.
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Old 10-26-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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Sadly, I fear neither of them will solve it, .
Sadly, I fear you're right. There is no mortal who ever lived who could solve this mess, not even King Solomon himself.

Illegal immigration, however, will become less and less an issue as there are fewer and fewer jobs to be had. There won't be enough work for native born citizens, never mind illegals.
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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Obama will do a better job of solving this. Both candidates want to give amnesty to illegals already here who are working and staying out of trouble- a position which I support too - but Obama wants to impose harsh new penalties against employers of illegals in the future and McCain is opposed to penalizing people who hire illegals and thinks a better fence will keep them at bay.
The fact is that it is JOBS that are attracting them here and if we cut off the jobs, 95% of them will not be coming here. In fact, because the construction industry jobs have dried up, there are far fewer of them sneaking in this year. So Obama has the better plan.
Everything I've seen so for on this has amounted to lip service, from both candidates.
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