Why Obama won from this conservative. (house of representatives, Iraq, middle east, generation)
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I was surprised that Obama carried as many votes as he did in our red city, in a red county, in a red state.
Not really all that surprising when you consider the number of prominent Conservatives that backed Obama. While those number were not huge, they were well-known names and they were pretty vocal about WHY they were voting for Obama (essentially the same reason you mentioned). While many of the Obamabashers turned on those folks, claiming that "they were NEVER real Conservatives anyway" - they fact is, they WERE - and they were simply disgusted with what the GOP has become.
Why would the money men that run the Republican party want a pay as you go spending instead of a borrow and spend economy. Under a pay a you go they would face higher taxes while under a borrow and spend they would be lending the money at usurious interest. Under the former they lose money, under the latter they concentrate the wealth. The choice is a no brainer for the plutocrats running the Republicans.
The Republican party of my parents was a party of careful planning for the future. The neo con Republican party is a party of squandering it all now and letting the future generations pay for it.
coolidge was the last good one. republican or democrat.
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Originally Posted by LML
The Republican party of my parents was a party of careful planning for the future. The neo con Republican party is a party of squandering it all now and letting the future generations pay for it.
The Republican party of my parents was a party of careful planning for the future. The neo con Republican party is a party of squandering it all now and letting the future generations pay for it.
The Republican Party was hijacked by a crime family and cronies. This is not the party of Lincoln. People have to face the fact of what they have done, especially for the past eight horrible years. It is indefensible! If someome knocks on your door disguised as a policeman and proceeds to rob you, you soon realize that this person is not who they claimed to be. Would you insist that this person was really an officer of the law? No, you would understand that you were duped and robbed. The Bush Crime family and its cronies have been operating under the guise of a legit adminstration and all along the intent has been to infiltrate every branch of government and poison our sytems. It is so systemic that Representative Russ Feingold is formally going to request that Obama restore "The Rule of Law" as soon as he is inaugurated. Take Alberto Gonzales as a perfect blatant example of how deep this has gone. The Justice Department, the department that is resposible for, let's see...JUSTICE...was being run by a corrupt liar like Gonzales, a good buddy of idiot Bush.
People are talking about changing the Republican Party so that they can take back the White House at some point? Well, maybe they should first and foremeost acknowledge that the past eight years have been a fraud and a crime perpetrated on the American people. Until these facts are faced and the truth brought to light...(everything from Bush's first stolen election up to the present state of our nation), The Republican Party is buiding on a swamp and will never stand again!
Last edited by sickofnyc; 11-18-2008 at 10:42 AM..
You mean the anti states right war mongeror who cost this country more American lives than any other fight we've ever seen? Good. I hope we never see the "party of Lincoln" again.
McCain has always been a better Democrat then a Republican. He has certainly been a better liberal. I only hope he defects to the Dems the next time he reaches across the aisle. When the Rep party gets back to a principled platform, and actually stands for something, then the Reps will have a chance to win back the White House and Congressional seats. I think Palin was a great pick but McCain himself sabotaged her because he didn't believe in what she stood for. He just thought that if he named a conservative woman that that would shore up his liberal campaign. However, him and his liberal staff never really stood with her.
McCain has always been a better Democrat then a Republican. He has certainly been a better liberal. I only hope he defects to the Dems the next time he reaches across the aisle. When the Rep party gets back to a principled platform, and actually stands for something, then the Reps will have a chance to win back the White House and Congressional seats. I think Palin was a great pick but McCain himself sabotaged her because he didn't believe in what she stood for. He just thought that if he named a conservative woman that that would shore up his liberal campaign. However, him and his liberal staff never really stood with her.
McCain is a member of PNAC...who needs him to defect? He also had a crapload of lobbyists with him on his campaign trail. If he had given a damn about this country, he never would have attempted to pass Palin off as a VP. He would have chosen someone actually qualified to take over upon his possible demise. I don't see that you can equate "principled platform" taking into consideration the unprincipled way that McCain handled his campaign. His association with Phil Gramm is a serious turn off.
Last edited by sickofnyc; 11-18-2008 at 11:16 AM..
Here is why Obama won, and if my fellow conservatives have a problem here than shove it because it is time to face the facts.
Americans are sick of stupidity, and McCain nominating Palin was a dumb move. She came off as a backwards hick from Alaska, and even if she wasn't she was easily presented this way. AMERICA IS SICK OF GEORGE W. BUSH! So while we can blame the media (I partially do) and other factors, the simple fact of the matter is that McCain isn't a conservative. He had to nominate someone who was to rally his base, and he still did a poor job. And that person wasn't nearly as articulate as she/he could have been.
Let's just be honest with ourselves. The republicans need a makeover, badly. We are not the party of conservatism, we are not the party of fiscal responsibility. Instead, we are the democrats 2.0. Since when have republicans been pro-war? Since when have republicans outspent democrat administrations in anything? Since when have republicans advocated ideas that are borderline socialism? Definitely not in Reagan's years, but Bush has taken us so far left as a party that I am simply disgusted by the republicans. In fact, I debated long and hard whether or not to write in vote another candidate over McCain.
Take a look at Ron Paul conservatism. And even if you disagree with some of his ideas, look at his philosophy on states rights, and taxes, and the constitution. He is a little kooky, but he is spot on and represents what the republicans should be representing. If we want to take this party back from the people that stole it, we need to recognize who these phonies are and tell them to **** off.
Let me first say that there aint no way that I will buy what Ron Paul is selling on returning to the gold standard.... not that I think the current Fiat system is much better so I guess i am saying we are just screwed aint I?
Now for why we lost....You hit the nail on the head with "America is sick of GWB". There is no republican that could have won this year. Better for a non-conservative like McCain to lose than for one of the acutal conservatives to take it on the chin if you ask me.
On Palin. OK, so here is the lesson I take from the Palin pick. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER pick someone for the VP slot who isnt polished and who has never been exposed to the national media, and who hasnt already been vetted by the media. NOT because they cant do the actual job, and not because this in any way prepares them to be president.... But because they will look like an idiot in the media because they have not been prepared for that spotlight.
That doesnt mean I think Palin hurt McCain's chances... Because I dont think McCain had a snowballs chance in hell to win.... But she certainly didnt help. I am still on the fence as to wheither she can or cannot do the job as president. Nobody really knows the answer to that. All we really know is that she wasnt ready for this spotlight. Neither was the last novice that stepped onto this stage (Dan Quail).
Ferd's rule for Vice Presidential nominations: Either you pick your bigest rival in the primary or you pick a party elder statesman. those are the two options. period.
On the remake of the party. WE HAVE A PROBLEM. Because we have paid lip service to what we are supposed to be. CONSERVATIVES. So if we now say we really ARE conservatives, then nobody is going to believe us. period. I dont know how you go about rebuilding that other than to BE BE BE a fiscal penny pincher.
But we do 100% agree that this is our own fault and there is no one else to blame. The American people gave the Republicans a fare chance to stand up and govern and the Republican party failed the test.
That doesnt mean I think Palin hurt McCain's chances...
I cannot tell you how many people told me they were undecided until McCain picked Palin. She secured Obama a ton of votes . . .
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