Obama's 2009 Stimulus Plan - Why Didn't The Republicans Read It? (Representatives, votes)
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The "excellent points" are whining that one shouldn't be required to do the hard work of learning how one's govenment operates or of paying attention sufficiently to know what the words and actions flying by in a real-time news cycle might actually mean.
What standard of judgment is left to those who don't invest in developing one?
The "excellent points" are whining that one shouldn't be required to do the hard work of learning how one's govenment operates or of paying attention sufficiently to know what the words and actions flying by in a real-time news cycle might actually mean.
That's not how I read it. People are aware of more than you give them credit for.
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What standard of judgment is left to those who don't invest in developing one?
That's not how I read it. People are aware of more than you give them credit for.
I give them credit for the level of awareness that they can demonstrate. When all that amounts to is an awareness of topics taken straight out of the right-wing disinformation media, I am not very much impressed.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Maybe you can tell us.
Well, I have resorted to the hard work and attention paying that I spoke of earlier. Not that either one in practice is all that difficult. On the other hand, people who refuse to know will not know. They will end in being taken for a ride by the propaganda purveyors...
I give them credit for the level of awareness that they can demonstrate.
In your opinion, which is not shared by all.
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Well, I have resorted to the hard work and attention paying that I spoke of earlier.
In your opinion, which - again - is not shared by all.
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Not that either one in practice is all that difficult. On the other hand, people who refuse to know will not know. They will end in being taken for a ride by the propaganda purveyors...
Do you honestly think this is about who won or who lost the election? Some didn't like either of the two major candidates. A lot of people are sick of having no real chance of having anyone other than an R or a D for President or in Congress (yes, there are a handful that are not R or D - but not enough for meaningful counterbalance to the elephant and donkey circus we now have).
Do you honestly think this is about who won or who lost the election? Some didn't like either of the two major candidates. A lot of people are sick of having no real chance of having anyone other than an R or a D for President or in Congress (yes, there are a handful that are not R or D - but not enough for meaningful counterbalance to the elephant and donkey circus we now have).
I agree with you - we badly need a credible third party... neither the Dems nor the Republicans will reform much if they maintain their lock grip on the political process.
For your info - I voted for Ross Perot in '92 - I thought he had a realistic shot at the White House - the best for any 3rd party in my lifetime - and only wish he had won...
NO one read it! The Dems even said they didn't read it. No one got it until late the night before. Obama was in bed by the time they were done printing it. We know Dodds didn't read it, even though he was adding things up til the very end.
Great...question away. But when people wander off into absurd beliefs that there somehow wasn't time for a bill that was months in development and weeks in debate to be read and understood by Members of Congress, they have left this planet and travelled to a new one. There is nothing of substance to be gained in accomplishing that journey...
The stimulus bill was released at 12 mid nite the night before and voted on at 9:00am the next day. It was not debated except for in goals ;not specifics. The democrats controlled the debate time and the time it went to the floor by limiting the debate.It was hundreds of pages long which is why even democrats didn't noitce the Dodd insertion because it was done after the few senators that drafted it had gone.Where have you been? You maybe getting the budget mixed up wirh the stimulus is my guess;if so thank god you weren;t voting on either. But I agree with you why was the presidient and democratic congress in such a hurry?I think alot of democrtic snenator as witnessed in the committeee meeting on the budget didn't like the end result and were it left them hanging.The democrat leader of the budget committee even said he agreed that the senate is a place where things are debated and the tradition was ignored by the leadership.The house is another animal all together.
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Some didn't like either of the two major candidates. A lot of people are sick of having no real chance of having anyone other than an R or a D for President or in Congress (yes, there are a handful that are not R or D - but not enough for meaningful counterbalance to the elephant and donkey circus we now have).
