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Elvis was not produced. Elvis was one of the most important players in the birth of rock and roll. He became a star because if his talent in songwriting, singing, his unique style in combining R&B with rock. Why do you need to take away from what he contributed to music by implying he was just a face that fit what producers wanted?
Are you saying rabid celebrity worship is a good thing, or that its human nature?
Because neither of those things are true. Yet somehow saying the internet should have dispersed the power of major entertainers rather than give a rise to a new type of celebrity is ridiculous.
Seriously, why use that type of language, what's your point?
You are moving the goal posts. You stated that celebrity worship was a modern creation. We have pointed out that we can go back through history and see that it wasn't THAT modern a creation.
And now you're throwing in adjectives that you didn't use before. Like "rabid" celebrity worship. How do you define 'rabid'?
YES, it's a natural phenomena. It's been a thing for a very long time, and eventually most folks out grow it.
The internet should have given rise to individual content creators making traditional Hollywood celebrities less powerful.
Instead it gave rise to a new class of celebrities with a new type of devotion. Now these people think their favorite celebrities are their best friends because of how much contact they have with them.
I think such development is bad, but I'm also disappointed that Hollywood has wormed its way back by networking these new 'stars'.
Despite mocking traditional establishment platforms they have somehow find a way back into the good graces of this generation.
None of these posts have anything to do with celebrity worship.
But if your main thesis that people devoting their lives to someone totally external to them is healthy or natural, that is where you hit a brick wall.
You can take the name of famous people throughout history and none of them would amount to a justification of people forgoing their own social values for the sake of someone else.
Who has forgone their social values? And an example please.
It sounds more like they don't value YOUR social values, and that's where you see the problem.
None of these posts have anything to do with celebrity worship.
But if your main thesis that people devoting their lives to someone totally external to them is healthy or natural, that is where you hit a brick wall.
You can take the name of famous people throughout history and none of them would amount to a justification of people forgoing their own social values for the sake of someone else.
Where are you getting this from?? Who is doing that?
Are you saying people in the ancient times had fame so therefore modern celebrity worship is natural and healthy?
None of these descriptors tell of a total homogenization of individuals for the sake of some trashy con-artist.
My point is worship of people like athletes/celebs is human nature and goes back thousands of years. As for your last line, I have no clue what you are talking about there.
You are moving the goal posts. You stated that celebrity worship was a modern creation. We have pointed out that we can go back through history and see that it wasn't THAT modern a creation.
And now you're throwing in adjectives that you didn't use before. Like "rabid" celebrity worship. How do you define 'rabid'?
YES, it's a natural phenomena. It's been a thing for a very long time, and eventually most folks out grow it.
But you're trying to justify it by bringing up the Romans.
You're trying to say their is nothing unusual about it because its part of human nature so look away.
What you don't understand is you're using a false equivalency. Their have been heroes and myths throughout all of civilized society, but these nuevo-celebrities are often times praised for their mundanity or giving their fandom purpose in life.
The former has to do with an independent culture, the latter has to do with the disassociation of an individual with their own surroundings. And it creates a thin thread of dependency.
And the point of my OP was this: The internet gave individuals more power in entertainment, so I assumed that meant the traditional power brokers in Hollywood would lose their grip on the entertainment industry. Instead this new 'stars' just classify themselves behind how dedicated their following is by giving a false perception of 'friendship' between them and their community.
And believe it or not we don't know as much about the ancient societies. I've studied the Greeks and Romans, but also other more obscure cultures. Their are some artifacts, writings, and dates but none of them give a full picture to what the individual mind set of these people were.
Again it was thousands of years ago, and assumptions as well as misinformation is a powerful tool.
But regardless nothing shared about Gladiators or the like have any resemblance to the phenomenon we are talking about now.
And people who call this 'generational' warfare think I give rebellious children in the 1950s a pass are terribly wrong.
Who has forgone their social values? And an example please.
It sounds more like they don't value YOUR social values, and that's where you see the problem.
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Where are you getting this from?? Who is doing that?
It means: putting the value of someone else's well being above your own. Specifically someone you don't know or someone who doesn't care about you.
When you're part of a fandom you tend to forgot yourself and who you are.
The worst part is your own desired self-worth is plastered onto these new 'stars' and now their mundanity/awkwardness is a valuable trait.
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