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Old 09-03-2013, 08:00 PM
 
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Was it specifically the US (and not any other G7 country) that invited Russia to join (and thus become the G8)? And did the US invite Russia in 1997 because that was the year that the US had the G7 presidency? Was the reason that Russia got permission specifically in 2002 (and not anytime from 1998 to 2001) to host a G8 summit because 2002 was when Canada had the G8 presidency and 2002 was thus the end of a cycle of G8 presidencies? Finally, was Russia placed between the UK and Germany for each cycle of G8 presidencies because Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council of the UN (like France, the US, and the UK, and unlike Germany, Japan, etc.) and yet it is newer in the G7/G8 than France, the US, and the UK?
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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You really do not know? the answer is very simple why now.When the question arose of Syria? right now. There's your answer. U.S. will bomb Syria. How much can rob other countries and kill people??America today unleashes World War 3. America did it before. It's no secret that the United States funded the second world. So the U.S. got out of the economic collapse. Today, America is on the same level. To keep your money for the global dominance of the U.S. to rob other countries. Forgive me for saying so, but that the United States has calmed down. It is necessary that the war occurred in the United States. Only then all Americans will begin to understand what war and war is not valid in other countries in the future. Today, the majority of Americans that the war is that far out there somewhere overseas.
The partners of Russia and the United States will never be. Since the United States is constantly engaged in anti-Russian war. Here is an example for the six months of this year, the U.S. has allocated $ 800 million for non-profit organizations in Russia to destabilize our Caucasus. In America this though who knows? The Americans live in their own world and you do not care about the rest of the world.

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Old 09-04-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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You really do not know? the answer is very simple why now.When the question arose of Syria? right now. There's your answer. U.S. will bomb Syria. How much can rob other countries and kill people??America today unleashes World War 3. America did it before. It's no secret that the United States funded the second world. So the U.S. got out of the economic collapse. Today, America is on the same level. To keep your money for the global dominance of the U.S. to rob other countries. Forgive me for saying so, but that the United States has calmed down. It is necessary that the war occurred in the United States. Only then all Americans will begin to understand what war and war is not valid in other countries in the future. Today, the majority of Americans that the war is that far out there somewhere overseas.
The partners of Russia and the United States will never be. Since the United States is constantly engaged in anti-Russian war. Here is an example for the six months of this year, the U.S. has allocated $ 800 million for non-profit organizations in Russia to destabilize our Caucasus. In America this though who knows? The Americans live in their own world and you do not care about the rest of the world.
What this has to do with the OP's question regarding the G8, nobody will ever know.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:44 PM
 
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Perhaps, but the main theme was precisely Syria.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:18 AM
 
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Perhaps, but the main theme was precisely Syria.


Where?
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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Where?
At the G8 summit.in Northern Ireland
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Old 09-05-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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At the G8 summit.in Northern Ireland
OK, since you keep track of these things, may be you know; was it specifically the US that invited Russia to join G7 or not?
I assume Yeltsin was still in power, so my guess it was not. If Helmut Kohl was still around (and I see that he was German Chancellor until 1998,) then he should have played some role in that I think.
Judging by his looks, he liked to eat well, and so did Yeltsin. So they've always had a great rapport.
Therefore let's concentrate at one question at a time - who invited Russia to join G7 ???

P.S. And oh, regarding Syria - just read a curious article recently about what really stands behind this crisis.

Paul McGuire -- America, Syria, and Russia: Opening the Gates of Hell

I wonder how much truth in it...

But wait, don't comment on this one Grey, stick to the first question))))
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:47 AM
 
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OK, since you keep track of these things, may be you know; was it specifically the US that invited Russia to join G7 or not?
I assume Yeltsin was still in power, so my guess it was not. If Helmut Kohl was still around (and I see that he was German Chancellor until 1998,) then he should have played some role in that I think.
Judging by his looks, he liked to eat well, and so did Yeltsin. So they've always had a great rapport.
Therefore let's concentrate at one question at a time - who invited Russia to join G7 ???

P.S. And oh, regarding Syria - just read a curious article recently about what really stands behind this crisis.

Paul McGuire -- America, Syria, and Russia: Opening the Gates of Hell

I wonder how much truth in it...

But wait, don't comment on this one Grey, stick to the first question))))
G6 emerged at the meeting of Heads of State and Government of France, the U.S., the UK, Germany, Italy and Japan in the palace of Rambouillet, November 15-17, 1975 (the beginning of the 70s such meetings were held at the level of Ministers of Finance).
Only in 2005 there was an objective basis for that , albeit belatedly , to consider Russia's participation in the economic "Group of Eight" justified. In 2006 the Russian ruble began to acquire characteristics of an international reserve currency , and the Russian economy overtook two of the "Big Seven" - Canada and Italy , assuming GDP at purchasing power parity . By the irony of this happened just when some critics have questioned the West and in Russia the right to remain in the political "Big Eight" . However, at the same time called into question the very meaning of existence and the "club." After all, purchasing power parity , China's economy larger than all the countries where the "eight" ( excluding the U.S. ), and India's GDP is greater than the GDP of Germany."Big Five" , bringing together the main international reserve currency. And why, in this regard, the presence of Russia in the " club " may seem out of place. It is also important to stay on the characterization of reserve currencies , the dominant position of which is the U.S. dollar. His probable demise opens the way to the backup status of other currencies, such as for example the ruble. Necessary to characterize the changes in the coming years will have a direct impact on the formation of the ruble as a reserve currency and international .Engaging Russia was clearly non-economic decision and only emphasized that within the purview of the "Big Seven" includes not only management issues of the international monetary system.

my personal opinion - Under Yeltsin (as Yeltsin himself and most of the government run by advisers from the United States. As the country was ruled by US advisers and corrupt politicians. All the laws that were made in the 90s in Russia. Were directed against Russia and in favor of the United States. (You can create a topic where you can clearly trace the damage these advisers and how enriched America). economic crisis and the default of the same has been made artificially. main reason for Russia in the eight economic management, resource management and policy. this is in the U.S. was established a reserve fund of Russia. Which is also a big fraud.

Russia's economy has become dependent on the US dollar is in the 90s. Today, these advisers kicked out of the government and today we take care of the interests of Russia. On that Russia does not need a big figure eight that harms the people of Russia. When the USSR collapsed (it was not by accident). U.S. analysts have made a big mistake. They thought that Russia will become very weak. But in the end Russia is stronger than in the years of the Soviet Union. Since Russia was feeding all 15 republics at their own expense at a loss. This should also take into account.

Russia not only fed the 15 republics , but other countries , including Africa . Here's an example - Gas in Kazakhstan was held 50 years ago. In Russia, however , is still in some regions it is not until now. Today, Russia feeding only himself . U.S. can not manage and control the same way as in Russia 90 years . What makes joining Russia - Accession has the spread of American laws, rules and ideology in Russia , again, sound economic management of our vast wealth to give a huge boost to the development , plus control . Russia is the only country that could affect the United States . All other countries are puppets . who Are not puppets can not influence on the United States . U.S. will not listen or anyone .It was and is .

Drugihopravdany not as -"Big Eight" is not an international organization, it is based on an international treaty , has no charter and the secretariat. Solutions "eight" are not binding . As a rule , it is about fixing the intention of the parties to adhere to the agreed line or on the recommendations of other participants in international affairs to apply certain approaches in dealing with certain issues.****The emergence of the "Big Eight" was caused by the crisis in the global economy in the early 1970s. Then there was a need for a new mechanism of coordination of interests of the leading countries of the West.It is an error and the very entry of Russia into the group of influential and affluent countries. Russia , of course , is the largest country of the world and ignores all the country's largest natural resources per capita . But the implementation of its capabilities in the interest of their people , it is one of the last places in the world . Regarding the gross domestic product , in absolute terms , in China is three times greater than Russia . According to this index also bypass Russia Spain , and Brazil. So it is erroneous attribution of Russia among the eight most industrialized countries in the world , and the highest GDP per capita in general it is on the 65th place.
On the part of Russia - this is probably the uncomplicated eternal hope: "The West will help us."*** Did we West. Well, of course not. Seven members care less about the standard of living of Russians.**** Russia's membership in the "Big Eight" only hurts the people of Russia.**** Here's a message from NTV September 19, 2007.**** "Russia stole about $ 200 billion, said the deputy permanent representative of Russia to the UN Ilya Rogachev in an interview with RIA Novosti.***** Yesterday the World Bank and the United Nations have proposed a plan called "The return of stolen assets," reminds NTV. It will help States to return the money that corrupt politicians have stolen from them and taken abroad.**** But Russia to get their $ 200 billion will not be easy. First, as was admitted by Rogachev, Russian laws still need to be harmonized with the European.**** And secondly, the head of the World Bank, Robert Zoellick clearly hinted that the program is likely to poor countries, not Russia. "*** Of course, Russia is not a poor country, but it's the people in most of the poor.

What Russia will lose out as a result of the "Big Eight"? Is that dubious honor to take part in the drafting of empty declarations, while vitally important questions are still hesitant in the format of seven, that is, without the participation of Russia. It is possible that there is, in particular, there is a distribution billion exported from Russia.

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Old 09-06-2013, 02:55 AM
 
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As for Syria - I have not read the article yet on your link . But , I'll do it later. But , I
can give a definite answer in any way that I would not write the articles . When the U.S. invaded Afghanistan . I knew in advance that Afghanistan alone will not end and it will go on. Since the United States need to strengthen their money and she is afraid of losing world supremacy in that. We got into this scam in the 90 th year. Prior to that, the dollar not could affect our economy as it is today . War, which is the United States, need for control over natural resources . To do this, you need to overthrow the government. Put in their place of American advisers who will make laws only for the benefit of the United States. This is the only reason for all the wars that the United States is .Sorry for the answer about Syria!
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Old 09-06-2013, 03:23 AM
 
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Briefly about what I have written, if too lazy to read.U.S. attracted Russia - for control of Russia's resources, finances, and to intervene in the legislation of the Russian Federation.Voice of Russia until at least 2011 in the Eight had no influence.The question is, why Russia should share responsibility for the sins of others. What relation to globalization is Russia? It was not even a member of the WTO, until recently.Russia loses just does not get. Being in this line-up.Russia is the richest country in the world (in Russia's richest natural and intellectual resources).Engaging Russia in the eight was intentional, at a time when Russia ruled by American advisers, including Yeltsin.In fact eight does not solve any problems for Russia, and in general.Russia for the United States is the source of resources is not more than that.And in general, this ORGANIZATIONS questionable.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. - That's the whole answer in Russian proverb.

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