Need help . Revolution

[liberal8]

Originally Posted by Alexey Fanatin

Hello everybody . I hope you know about a situation in Ukraine . We need a help . Any . We want to Europe . This president destroys our country . We protect the rights already a few weeks . We accept any help . Thank you . For these money we will put tents and will buy food . Z200196323794

Nice try man.
I thought CIA pays enough to "protesters", or they cut your funds once they saw Ukraine swimming back to where it belongs?

[liberal8]

Originally Posted by pch1013

And of course Stalin's own homeland has turned strongly anti-Russian.

Why is the Ukrainian people not entitled to a similar degree of self-determination?

"Stalin's own homeland" was impregnant with CIA sponsored pro-american president, they did not turn away from Russia by themselves.
Ukrainian people ARE entitled to "self-determination" and fully enjoy it - they have elected the current president which decides what's the best for the country - and the choice is obvious: rotten greed driven society from West or Russia's way - the way of God.

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by liberal8

"Stalin's own homeland" was impregnant with CIA sponsored pro-american president, they did not turn away from Russia by themselves.
Ukrainian people ARE entitled to "self-determination" and fully enjoy it - they have elected the current president which decides what's the best for the country - and the choice is obvious: rotten greed driven society from West or Russia's way - the way of God.

LOL. So the people on the Maidan are agents of Satan?

[liberal8]

Originally Posted by pch1013

LOL. So the people on the Maidan are agents of Satan?

You need to stop watching your stupid Hollywood movies man about Satan, vampires and other crap if you want to have an intelligent conversation.
Western civilization exploits the worst in us - greed, and kills the best in us - our souls, moral etc.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by liberal8

You need to stop watching your stupid Hollywood movies man about Satan, vampires and other crap if you want to have an intelligent conversation.
Western civilization exploits the worst in us - greed, and kills the best in us - our souls, moral etc.

Uh tell me how Putin's Russia is not all about greed and corruption - I am all ears for that "intelligent conversation.")))

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by liberal8

You need to stop watching your stupid Hollywood movies man about Satan, vampires and other crap if you want to have an intelligent conversation.

You're the one who referred to Putin's way as "the way of god."

[AKAdragon]

Originally Posted by Alexey Fanatin

Hello everybody . I hope you know about a situation in Ukraine . We need a help . Any . We want to Europe . This president destroys our country . We protect the rights already a few weeks . We accept any help . Thank you . For these money we will put tents and will buy food . Z200196323794

Well, keep hoping to get into EU. Once you are there, get prepared to be disappointed. Merkel, Barosso and others are no better than your (ex)communists or whatever they are, they may even be worse than Putin. Also, your migrants will become a source of idiotic political debate, all kind of *******s will try to exploit people's fear of immigrants to gain more percents in elections. Your country will lose a lot of engineers, doctors and so on, pretty much people with their education sustained by hard working tax payers(middle class and even poorer) of your country, and nobody will mention that. Then when some of those middle-class people (also called non-skilled) will migrate to Western Europe, especially UK, you'll hear how their tax payers have to sustain these bad migrants, even if they are usually young and statistically a plus for health budgets. It's just so disgusting and another sign for human race as not being so "sapiens".

I have no opinion on your president, I have no idea who he is, it's not unlikely that he is just playing, just consider your geographical position, it's tricky ..

One more thing you may want to consider, a story about summer 2012 in Romania. The president Traian Basescu, perhaps the most hated in current people's memory, more than Ceausescu I would say, was about to be impeached in that summer. The procedure was started by his opponents, they exploited some loopholes to do that, some very questionable, but they did it. Then, of course, Constitutional court (which is unfortunately entirely political, not much to do with justice) had to step in, they agreed on the entire procedure, excepting one thing: the quorum for the referendum where people decide, it was set to at least 50% of the registered voters. The impeachment was voted by almost 90% of votes but the turnout was 46% only, because many president's fans stayed home, they knew they couldn't win if they vote. This turnout rule was pretty much set during the procedure. Now, this could have been avoided in some ways, but it wasn't, why? Barosso and Philip Gordon(who worked for Hillary Clinton) personally met with people involved in this and put pressure to make sure the president(ex-communist) stays, regardless of people's will. Barosso also represented Merkel's position in that matter.

I'm not against people in Europe and even beyond being united, even politically, but the way things work now, it makes you sick. I don't know if EU politics will ever change for much better, or when..