Germany, France seek to bypass US networks

[JedlaRoche]

I think they are talking about the ICANN. It's a US organism with some kind of monopoly in the world which control domain names (like www.city-data.com) and some other stuff. When you write a domain name, the ICANN servers translate this name to a TCP/IP address permitting to know exactly where to find the data of the web page. It's a summary of course.
Most countries would like to end this monopoly because, for example, if this US organism decided to "close" all French websites.. Nobody, in the world, could access them with the mainstream technology (firefox, chrome, etc). Other ways exist like Thor but it's more a niche system currently. So in the end, the US gov could know which website you are visiting wherever you are living. But so far they left the ICANN independant.. They know that if they step in the Europeans and Japanese will freak out. But since the NSA, they don't even need to control the ICANN to know what's going on inside.
About mails it's more because we are all using US mails providers like Hotmail or Gmail. So our datas are stored in the US as well.
Countries like China are worried about that since quite some time, that's why they have their own Youtube, Gmail, Facebook, etc.. But they are still dependent of the ICANN.

The problem I have with the NSA is why ? Why the US gov need all these datas ? Currently it's not a big deal.. But History shows that things change quickly.

[scobby]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

You've gotta figure France has a formidable spy technology and network, because they've been dealing with terrorism a LOT longer than the US has, and they've had some spectacular successes at discovering and preventing plane hijacking attempts. Our own security services went to the French to study their system and their files on international terrorist groups after 9/11.

Yeah,studying the battle of Algiers ,learning how to torture algerian prisoners durant the algerian war of independence.

Half-century on, some see Iraq parallels in Algerian war - USATODAY.com

https://www.commondreams.org/views03/0907-07.htm

Paul Aussaresses, French general who defended torture, dies at 95 - UPI.com

[amaroW]

Originally Posted by scobby

Yeah,studying the battle of Algiers ,learning how to torture algerian prisoners durant the algerian war of independence.

Half-century on, some see Iraq parallels in Algerian war - USATODAY.com

https://www.commondreams.org/views03/0907-07.htm

Paul Aussaresses, French general who defended torture, dies at 95 - UPI.com

You compare two different periods...1960 and 2013.

[LINative]

Originally Posted by JedlaRoche

I think they are talking about the ICANN. It's a US organism with some kind of monopoly in the world which control domain names (like www.city-data.com) and some other stuff. When you write a domain name, the ICANN servers translate this name to a TCP/IP address permitting to know exactly where to find the data of the web page. It's a summary of course.
Most countries would like to end this monopoly because, for example, if this US organism decided to "close" all French websites.. Nobody, in the world, could access them with the mainstream technology (firefox, chrome, etc). Other ways exist like Thor but it's more a niche system currently. So in the end, the US gov could know which website you are visiting wherever you are living. But so far they left the ICANN independant.. They know that if they step in the Europeans and Japanese will freak out. But since the NSA, they don't even need to control the ICANN to know what's going on inside.
About mails it's more because we are all using US mails providers like Hotmail or Gmail. So our datas are stored in the US as well.
Countries like China are worried about that since quite some time, that's why they have their own Youtube, Gmail, Facebook, etc.. But they are still dependent of the ICANN.

The problem I have with the NSA is why ? Why the US gov need all these datas ? Currently it's not a big deal.. But History shows that things change quickly.

I have been asking the same question. Many countries spy like China, Russia and Israel spy on the US and the Americans spy on them. But why would the US spy on Allies like Germany and France or friendly countries like Brazil?

I guess part of the reason is while we expect spying to be something like James Bond, its really not. Most of them are probably government bureaucrats working 9-5 everyday from Monday to Friday.

For example, it could have started by the US State Department trying to find out what Germany's position on some trade deal or Brazil's position on the Iranian nuclear program - so they set up a spy network to find out. Five or ten years later, the spying is still occurring but now nobody even knows why. In other words, some kind of bureaucratic nonsense. I really do not think the USA is trying to steal technology from Brazil or thinks that Germany maybe planning a Fourth Reich!