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Old 06-14-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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Just for variety.

Russian SU-34 Fullback. Currently the US is trying to get Russia to stop using these on Al-Nusra/ISIS in Syria. Can't be hurting Americas friends.

Sexy plane.


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Old 06-14-2016, 05:56 PM
 
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Just for variety.

Russian SU-34 Fullback. Currently the US is trying to get Russia to stop using these on Al-Nusra/ISIS in Syria. Can't be hurting Americas friends.
The opposite is true. Russia is allied with Assad and ISIS. Russia has tried to strengthen ISIS. They want to limit U.S., Turkish and European interests in Syria.

Why do you think they invaded Syria in the first place? They want to keep Syria destabilized, so that Assad, one of Russia's few allies, maintains power.
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Old 06-14-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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And the wealthy continue to flee Russia. Roman Abramovich is moving to an 18,000 square foot residence in Manhattan.

Russian Billionaire

Putin must be furious; everyone with wealth and talent has fled to the West. There are more wealthy Russians in NYC and London than in Moscow these days. The folks left behind have to stay or Putin will confiscate their riches and imprison or even murder their relatives.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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The opposite is true. Russia is allied with Assad and ISIS. Russia has tried to strengthen ISIS. They want to limit U.S., Turkish and European interests in Syria.

Why do you think they invaded Syria in the first place? They want to keep Syria destabilized, so that Assad, one of Russia's few allies, maintains power.
Oy. What drivel.
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Old 06-14-2016, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Living in Russia isn't a choice - it's a burden.
Don't come to Russia.

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It is pretty clear to anyone with eyes, and half a brain, that the English fans in Marseille were not prepared for what happened, nor expecting it. There is a difference between throwing bottles and being drunk (which itself further reduces your ability to react quickly to outside stimulus)
It is pretty clear to anyone with eyes, that the English behaved like animals 2 days: destroyed the city, beat local residents and fought with the police. And then came Russians.

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and randomly attacking lone fans, trampling on their heads, knocking them unconscious and beating them so severely that they are now in a medically-induced coma and their survival is less than certain. Not only were these lunatics randomly attacking fans who had no interest in fighting, they also attacked families - children and women.
Do you have proof that women and children have suffered? Fans don't attack women and children.
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Old 06-14-2016, 11:38 PM
 
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The sad thing is, is that if Russian fans are going to be banned from international soccer games, Russians will never understand the REAL reason behind it.
I thunk, that Russians understand the REAL reason. Russians don't like the fans because they are morons and criminals. But the Russians against the one-sided view to the problem, that "evil Russians attacked the defenseless English". This is not true.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:10 AM
 
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I thunk, that Russians understand the REAL reason. Russians don't like the fans because they are morons and criminals. But the Russians against the one-sided view to the problem, that "evil Russians attacked the defenseless English". This is not true.
Even specialists in Football Policing have seen nothing like what the happened in Marseille, the Russian Ultras even beat one 52 year old British man over the head five or six times with an Iron Bar. He's now in an induced coma with brain swelling, and possible brain damage.

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The head of Britain’s Euro 2016 policing operation has hit out at the Russian football fans behind the scenes of violence in Marseille – and vowed to help search for them.

Assistant chief constable Mark Roberts said the attacks were the most serious and coordinated he had seen in 10 years specialising in football violence.

He told how British police spotters saw some Russia fans “tooling up” with gum shields, fingerless martial arts gloves and bandanas.

Roberts, who is in charge of Britain’s police operation in France, said: “England has had its problems with hooligans in the past. But the Russians are entirely different – they are like nothing we have seen before.

They are highly organised and determined to carry out sustained violent attacks at a level of aggression I have not encountered in the past 10 years.

“Our spotters in Marseille saw them putting in gum shields and putting on martial arts gloves and bandanas before attacking England fans in the port.

“We know some were carrying knives because one England fan was stabbed. They wore a kind of uniform – all in black t-shirts and clothing and most carried bum bags, possibly to conceal weapons.

“Speaking candidly, it is clear there was a small minority of England fans who were in Marseille to cause trouble. Some of the English were guilty of anti-social behaviour.

“But there was a far larger hard core of Russian troublemakers we would estimate at around 300.

“They targeted English fans when the majority of them were decent people in Marseille to enjoy a drink and the football.”

Roberts said teams of specialist British police spotters on the quayside in Marseille observed a “perfect storm” of clashes.

Some Paris Saint-Germain football fans travelled to clash with a group of Olympique de Marseille fans, as England and Russia fans fought nearby.

Roberts said: “The situation in Marseille was probably unique. There has never been such a toxic mix in terms of football violence.

“Our primary concern going forward is for the safety of UK citizens at later stages in the tournament.

“Travelling England fans should be wary that they may encounter Russians in Lille this week as the teams have games a few miles apart.

“It would be sad if I were to advise England fans not to wear their colours in high risk areas so I will stop short of that, but I would advise them to be sensible and vigilant.”

Roberts’ team’s prime mission had been to gather evidence against any violent England fans in France to stop them travelling in future.

About 2,000 England football fans have been issued with banning orders to block their travel to France, due to past offences. But no such bans have been placed on Russia’s Ultra Elite group.

Britain's Euro 2016 police chief lambasts 'tooled up' Russian fans - The Guardian

Euro 2016: England fan Andrew Bache in coma after being hit 'four or five times' in the head with an iron bar | International | Sport | The Independent

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Old 06-15-2016, 12:18 AM
 
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I am a He. Yes, those years reflected the product of the Soviet system. I am a bit of a math whiz, and I did notice the high proficiency in science, but what impressed me more in Russia was the 'liberal arts' aspect, particularly the widespread knowledge of literature.
That's because Soviet system of education was as diligent and methodical while approaching the "liberal arts" studies as it was with math and science.
It was in-depth study of each and every book of classical literature that were on the list of the school program. As any subject, the literature had its own textbooks, and page by page the textbook was providing material ( with questions at the end of every chapter) devoted to the particular prose or poetry. Hypothetically speaking, if you'd read the text-book, you COULD get by during the lessons without reading the work itself. But since part of the home works were essays on few topics pertaining to the original book, it was difficult to keep on pretending that you've read it, since you could barely quote anything but the textbook. This was noticeable, and it was downgraded. So from early age on, the pupils were taught to read those books, to get in discussions about them, to explain what author wanted to say by this or that, what he meant by certain metaphors, and how much you'd agree or disagree with his thoughts.
At the same time, the study of Russian language supported the literature lessons in a parallel manner, with a lot of samples from classical literature, and explanations how these best samples were constructed and what rules were used.
Needless to say that well-qualified authors, that created all these text-books were not leaving the education to a "chance" - i.e. they were not leaving it up to teachers, what examples to use, what literature to choose for study. Teachers could be different, they could have different ideas which could affect the quality of education as Soviet Gov. was reasoning, so it wanted to assure that every student had the best suitable samples, universally provided by the same text-books. The teachers were obligated to follow these steps; when they wanted to add something on top of required studies it was fine, however for the most part the program was prescribing them what path to follow. And since the teachers, the pupils and parents were always on the same page with these textbooks, ( with parents being able to check on home works, following the text-books,) the results were pretty good. Children were accustomed to work with serious literature from the early age on.


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America has a highly varied system of public education, so I'm not sure if there can be a singular standard 'Americanized' system or approach. As Robert Frost wrote, "America is hard to see."

In the US, public schools are largely self-selected by location, usually reflecting the wealth of the parents -- each big US metro includes at least one or two excellent public school districts with a German-style Gymnasium, focused on academics and feeding into the Ivy League colleges.

Each metro in the US also has an area of crap schools, often 'warehousing' the children of minority groups: One of the significant, difficult problems yet to be resolved here. This website (City-Data) has many threads that address specifically US public schools by city or region.
I know, because I even got to this forum initially *by accident,* wanting to ask a question regarding the difference between Canadian and American system of education in public schools. ( My son was in Middle school then, and I was very upset about his education; we were NOT in a bad school district at that.)

Russian parents I talked to, unanimously describe American system of public education in schools as lacking in-depth studies ( when it comes to liberal arts subjects,) and they mention significantly "lowered bar" when it comes to math and science.


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I did not know that the Soviet secondary educational model had Germanic antecedents. That history should really be a book itself.
Not just "Germanic," but very specifically German. Which is a bit dry, academic, and down to a point. Even today I think Germans are quite straightforwarded in their approach to studies - by certain age every pupil already knows what he/she is capable of ( or not.) That's why higher education there is not about money - it's more about the natural abilities of every student.
The same approach worked well for Russians too - it was screening children from early age on, and brought forth the whole new generation of scientists, engineers and technicians. And, as you've noticed, the connoisseurs of literature as well.
And as far as why it even happened at the first place - it all goes back to Peter the Great, his preferences, the sizeable presence of Germans in the Russian court, their abilities to understand the country, Russians' ability to be naturally "technically inclined" and so on. So it "clicked" somehow.
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:22 AM
 
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Why do they do it? What should ordinary Russians think when watching it?

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Old 06-15-2016, 12:24 AM
 
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Even specialists in Football Policing have seen nothing like what the happened in Marseille, the Russian Ultras even beat one 52 year old British man over the head five or six times with an Iron Bar. He's now in an induced coma with brain swelling, and possible brain damage.
Allsop also 50 year old British man. And someone took a bat to his arm.

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