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Old 05-26-2016, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Russia
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The Soviets were no better than the Nazis, with the exception that they were amateurish, the majority of them not professional soldiers.
You are wrong. You are either a fool or a provocateur. Anyone can become a Communist. Nazis - not. Communists do not burn people in the ovens on a national basis.
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Old 05-26-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Estonia
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You are wrong. You are either a fool or a provocateur. Anyone can become a Communist. Nazis - not. Communists do not burn people in the ovens on a national basis.
Nazis & Soviets - two sides of the same coin.
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Old 05-26-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Nazis & Soviets - two sides of the same coin.
Do you learn that in school?
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Old 05-26-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Estonia
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Do you learn that in school?
Believe it or not, our schools handle this period extremely neutral.
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Old 05-26-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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These 'undisputed facts' are only that in the mind of mindless Kreml controlled bots, the likes of you who keep repeating them over and over.
See, anybody wanted to say again I was wrong that majority of folks here just full of hate and keep spreading lies and disinformation about anything related to Russia?

Say anything about Russia not in line with western hate propaganda and you immediately called "mindless Kreml controlled bots".

Who controls your mind bro? Obama? Or you brain is too full with junk food and alcohol to think clearly and have any reasoning?
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Old 05-26-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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Believe it or not, our schools handle this period extremely neutral.
Yeah, it's your folks who served in Hitler's SS, right?
Burning people alive and sending to concentration camps... and after that call Soviets evil!

And USSR sacrificed millions of soldiers to save these Estonian *******s - lesson must be learned, never help westerners, let them die off.
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Old 05-26-2016, 06:08 PM
 
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Their leaders just thought that Stalin would give them personal security (their hopes were false) and they also understood that Western countries wouldn't help them.

In Estonia for example since 1938 police (before it all began) fixed such speeches in the population: "Nobody will fight for us. Brits are shop-keepers, who will betray us, white people, they think only about their Eastern colonies".
Well, if you cannot fight for yourself, and accepted help from a bigger country then don't blame it for "invasion", that's just stupid.

US burned Vietnamese alive with napalm for simply wanting to be different, what happened? Vietnamese died in millions but never gave up. Guess what, they have no one to blame for occupation, and they still pursue their way of life.
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Old 05-26-2016, 06:23 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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So whatever "crazy" Russians say here are conspiracy theories, but what you know about mass deportations is undisputed truth in-scripted in stone? This again does sound like "Third Rome" thing.

If you married to Lithuanian family than you will obviously have a biased view on those events. I lived in Lithuania myself, they do hate Russians (so most other small pro western nations), but they like what they built for them for free during Soviet Era.
It is undisputed fact that Baltic governments and most regular folks greeted Soviet expansion to those countries, there was no attempt to fight the "occupation" at that time.
It is also undisputed fact that there were substantial gang/rebel activity against new Soviet regime, which resulted in increased violence and death among peaceful population. Soviet power had to take action against those rebels, many of them were killed or deported together with their families.
Saying that Soviets would just deport people out of the blue, and move Russians into their place is just pure lie and plainly stupid. Same type of widely accepted in the west lie like the US won WWII. It's just part of the same old plan on demonizing Russia, I lived in the US for over decade now, it's all same thing - either no information about Russia whatsoever, or a negative one.
Oh, come on! It's a known fact that Stalin deported masses of Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians after WWII. One could argue it was justified, since they sided with the Germans during the war, in a desperate attempt to regain/maintain their independence, but of course, those peoples don't see it that way. And I wonder how much they would hate the Russians among them if the Russians were willing to learn the official state language. What's the big deal about learning the language? It's not too much to ask, in exchange for voting rights/rights of citizenship.
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Estonia
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See, anybody wanted to say again I was wrong that majority of folks here just full of hate and keep spreading lies and disinformation about anything related to Russia?

Say anything about Russia not in line with western hate propaganda and you immediately called "mindless Kreml controlled bots".

Who controls your mind bro? Obama? Or you brain is too full with junk food and alcohol to think clearly and have any reasoning?
Of course you are a mindless Kreml controlled bot, there's no denying it, you spout exactly the same lies as the Kreml, unfiltered.
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Yeah, it's your folks who served in Hitler's SS, right?
Burning people alive and sending to concentration camps... and after that call Soviets evil!

And USSR sacrificed millions of soldiers to save these Estonian *******s - lesson must be learned, never help westerners, let them die off.
Yes, people served in the SS, before that they served in the Soviet army, like people back then could pick who to serve and who not to serve or if to serve at all. Your point being?

The USSR didn't sacrifice any soldiers to save the Baltic, only to occupy them.
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Well, if you cannot fight for yourself, and accepted help from a bigger country then don't blame it for "invasion", that's just stupid.

US burned Vietnamese alive with napalm for simply wanting to be different, what happened? Vietnamese died in millions but never gave up. Guess what, they have no one to blame for occupation, and they still pursue their way of life.
You dropped quite the logic bomb here.

"Hey little country, I see you need help fighting country x, we can help you with that!"
-"Who is country x?"
"Well, it's us."
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:21 AM
 
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What's the big deal about learning the language? It's not too much to ask, in exchange for voting rights/rights of citizenship.
I read that in Latvia a lot of young people don't want to work as school teachers and the older people sometimes know the language only on mediocre level.
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