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Old 10-10-2014, 11:04 PM
 
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I'm surprised to see it is legal in many parts of Europe. I always was under the impression it only took place in Southern States in America like Georgia or Alabama.
AFAIK, it's legal everywhere in the US IF the couple are second cousins. Franklin and Eleanore Roosevelt were cousins.
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Old 10-10-2014, 11:42 PM
 
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I think you're conflating two different concepts -- (a) knowledge that marrying your cousin is 'wrong' and (b) legislating on cousin marriage. My conjecture is that many of the countries that did NOT legislate, did not need to, while some of the countries that did legislate, did so because things were getting out of hand.
According to the article about Muslim inbreeding, with the massive Muslim immigration in Europe, the percentage of people with low IQ (worldwide Muslim IQ is little above 80) and physical abnormalities caused by genetic degeneration has significantly increased (knowing the high percentage in most Western European countries - 2% in European Union) and banning the cousin marriage is a matter of debate, at least in in UK.

And I'm sure the reason for not banning cousin marriages in western countries is not because they don't occur, they do as this list of famous coupled cousins shows, but because is seen as a limitation of freedom.

While in Romania and other strongly Christian countries the banning must have a religious & medical reasoning and not be caused by the high demand for such thing, though I think that in the theoretical absence of such law, the Romanians, as a more primitive people, would show a higher preference for cousin marriages than western nations (but not much higher). And as cousin marriages have been continuously banned in Romania in the last 7-8 centuries (being prohibited by the Orthodox church, which controlled the marriage institution), there is a strong culture against such practice and people would avoid it even only for the rejection from relatives and friends that would follow.
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:32 AM
 
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In Iceland, where marriages between second and third cousins were common, in part due to limited selection, studies show higher fertility rates.
Cousin marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:47 AM
 
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This link is not about cousin marriage in Europe only, but as the thread has included assertions of "genetic disorders," it seems appropriate to include it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/ga...ewanted=1&_r=2&
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Old 10-11-2014, 01:48 AM
 
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In Iceland, where marriages between second and third cousins were common, in part due to limited selection, studies show higher fertility rates.

Yes, but in general cousin marriage causes medical problems, as you can read in the same link. Including in Iceland:


For the past 100 years, there has been a mysterious disease afflicting Icelanders. Called Hereditary Cystatin C Amyloid Angiopathy (or HCCAA), it causes severe brain hemorrhages and dementia in young adults. For those individuals who have the disease, life expectancy is usually no higher than 30 years.

Read more at Iceland’s Deadly Disease Mystery
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Old 10-11-2014, 02:23 AM
 
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Yes, but in general cousin marriage causes medical problems, as you can read in the same link. Including in Iceland:


For the past 100 years, there has been a mysterious disease afflicting Icelanders. Called Hereditary Cystatin C Amyloid Angiopathy (or HCCAA), it causes severe brain hemorrhages and dementia in young adults. For those individuals who have the disease, life expectancy is usually no higher than 30 years.

Read more at Iceland’s Deadly Disease Mystery
You do know that not every marriage produces a baby right?

Even if they do, it's still none of anyone else's business. Get over yourself.
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Old 10-11-2014, 03:20 AM
 
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You do know that not every marriage produces a baby right?

But most marriages produce children, or were you thinking otherwise?


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Even if they do, it's still none of anyone else's business. Get over yourself.

We just discuss, is you who should chill down.
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Old 10-11-2014, 03:22 AM
 
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Ugh whatever.
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Old 10-11-2014, 03:34 AM
 
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I'm sure most Romanians would opose cousin marriage in a referendum, we see as a source of physical and mental degeneration, which is confirmed by numerous studies, including on the Muslim population which havea high rate of cousin marriage (around 50% worlwide, up to 80% in Pakistan) and which in Europe show much higher incidence of physical and mental deficiences than non-Muslims:
Muslim Inbreeding: Impacts on intelligence, sanity, health and society....
The linked article is citing 1,400 years of inbreeding, and that is not the same as the single incident, such as me marrying a first cousin.

IF endogamous family marriages continue over several generations, then you have inbreeding of the serious nature that the article purports to have taken place amongst Muslims.

So, it seems to me that we are dealing with two questions. One is whether a single incidence of first cousin marriage is statistically likely to produce offspring with mental or physical deficiencies.

The second would concern how much intra family marriage over what period of time would have to occur before physical and mental deficiencies occurred across a population group.
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Old 10-11-2014, 04:06 AM
 
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So, it seems to me that we are dealing with two questions. One is whether a single incidence of first cousin marriage is statistically likely to produce offspring with mental or physical deficiencies.
The risk is double:

For a couple who are first cousins in a family where there is no other consanguinity, their overall risk is about 1 in 20 (5%). This risk is therefore double that of the general population.
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The second would concern how much intra family marriage over what period of time would have to occur before physical and mental deficiencies occurred across a population group.
Without laws against cousin marriage, a number of such marriages will ever occur (even in civilised countries) and over time the gene pool of that nation will degenerate, even if the process will be slow.
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