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Old 01-09-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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I'd imagine that the number of U.S. veterans dwarfs the entire population of Switzerland by 2 or 3 times.
Sure, but that doesn't say much about the percentage of people who've actually been to the military. If it's really 25% there must be a lot more than 2-3 times the people of Switzerland.

Just to put it into relation: Soldiers (total) per 1000:

Switzerland: 33.0
USA: 7.1
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Old 01-09-2015, 12:53 PM
 
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Sure, but that doesn't say much about the percentage of people who've actually been to the military. If it's really 25% there must be a lot more than 2-3 times the people of Switzerland.
As I've said, it's about 25% of the adult male population.
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Old 01-09-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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What? What?!? Making gun ownership impossible is the way to go. Otherwise, the first crazy guy has the possibility to take it and kill. Whether he kills one person or 100, it's one too much, full stop.

It's the job of the police and authorities to handle guns.

Besides, having guns never stopped people hijacking planes to hit buildings... so let's stop this fallacious argument. Guns for everybody are certainly not the right direction if we want to avoid issues since the problem is in their heads.
We hear that nonsense all the time.. I don't know any gun owner who thinks everybody should have a gun.
But anyway, that doesn't mean anything.

What is a fact is that there are millions more guns in the US, with millions of legally armed concealed carry license holders, and the murder rate has dropped dramatically by 40% in the past 20+ years to where it was in 1960.

Accidental firearms deaths have also dropped dramatically.

Look it up.... it is true.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The gun ownership hasn't crossed my mind at all. Even though gun's are a daily topic in the USA. What has crossed my mind is this. Complete studies and investigations on every reason imaginable, why Terrorists are this angry at the world. Then deal with the outcome accordingly.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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The gun ownership hasn't crossed my mind at all. Even though gun's are a daily topic in the USA. What has crossed my mind is this. Complete studies and investigations on every reason imaginable, why Terrorists are this angry at the world. Then deal with the outcome accordingly.
Interesting proposal, but most people think this is some new phenomenon perpetrated by a small percentage of Muslim.

Consider what our forefathers have experienced...

John Quincy Adams on Islam

"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet
of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may
be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet,
may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem
creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the
prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force."


In 1786 Thomas Jefferson, then US ambassador to France, and John Adams, then US Ambassador to Britain, met in London with the Libyan's ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress’ vote of funding. This is the reason why Jefferson acquired a Quran because the muslin diplomat told Jefferson and Adams that muslims had every right to convert, enslave, hold ransom, and FIGHT/KILL us infidels because it is their religion.

Jefferson asked, "Says who??" and the Libyan diplomat said, "Says here in the Quran" and Jefferson asked for a copy so he could better understand what makes Muslims tick. He read it on his return trip to the U.S. That is the very Quran that made its way to Jefferson's very own library that Muslims today make a big deal about...but forget the reason why Jefferson picked up a copy in the first place.

A last thought on this - the Barbary Wars was the first war the US won not on our soil, against Muslim terrorists - then called pirates.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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What has crossed my mind is this. Complete studies and investigations on every reason imaginable, why Terrorists are this angry at the world. Then deal with the outcome accordingly.
Like every other war and most human endeavors, it's all about money and power. Greed is part of human nature and some people are willing to go to great lengths to acquire money and power.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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they don't care if you have a gun in your glove compartment because you won't have time to use it
What kind of fool keeps their pistol way over there in the glove compartment? That's what center consoles, holsters and door pockets are for.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:57 PM
 
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Comparing one sick man with entire sick ideology is really "responding without thinking".
You obviously didn't see the video. That dude was like 60 feet away. Wouldn't have been too hard putting a bullet in their heads. Provided you have some experience with handling guns. Sometimes you gotta make tough choices.

That doesn't work if you're facing 10 people, obviously.
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Old 01-10-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Freiburg
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I would feel LESS secure if laws in Europe made it easier to own a gun.

Last edited by Rozenn; 01-12-2015 at 11:06 AM.. Reason: Orphaned
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Old 01-11-2015, 12:25 AM
 
Location: England
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Owning a gun has not made the US a safer place to live has it. How many school shootings in just your average year over there, you're not even safe in a cinema.

Last week in a US Walmart, a two year old child shot its mother dead with a handgun from the mothers purse.. The mother who had a licence to carry a concealed weapon, placed her purse in the cart with her child. Surely it doesn't say much for a society in which you feel that you have to arm yourself to go to the store.
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