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Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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And then there are also lots of Western man that get Eastern European woman, lots of people that work international and end up in other countries and marry over there, independent contractors that work where ever the money is best, etc etc. And with the opening of the borders and the EU getting bigger I'd expect this movement will only get bigger and bigger and there for also the mixture between different EU nationalities.
I'm Portuguese but I have very distant ancestors that were Flemish. If I look at the groups that are recorded as setting in Portugal in the last couple of thousand of years. You get the idea people are mixed.
Four or five hundred years ago, nation-states didn't really exist in the modern form. The current nationalities are a modern construct, created by shared language (sometimes imposed by the national government) living in the same political state for a long time (depending on the country.
On the other hand, even if a country such as Portugal has gotten an influx from all over 1000+ years, those populations all mixed by now, perhaps creating an ethnicity with a common heritage?
Four or five hundred years ago, nation-states didn't really exist in the modern form. The current nationalities are a modern construct, created by shared language (sometimes imposed by the national government) living in the same political state for a long time (depending on the country.
On the other hand, even if a country such as Portugal has gotten an influx from all over 1000+ years, those populations all mixed by now, perhaps creating an ethnicity with a common heritage?
Absolutely the population is now homogeneous although you can still find cultural traces of some of those populations in some pockets.
Yeah that too is a big factor. The exchange programs are getting more and more popular. And there are still so many other factors that contribute to the mixing, old and new.
Did you know there's still a lot of Spanish heritage here too, going back to the days of the 80 year war and the Spanish occupation of the Netherlands?
I live near the village Sint Willebrord and the people there have very much Spanish facial features, like pitch black hair and eyes, very masculine features, heavy beard. They're known for that around where i live. Many people from there you'd easily mistake for Spaniards. During the occupation a lot of Spanish soldiers got Dutch woman and stayed there and build families.
Or at least close to it? Obviously most Americans and Canadians are "mutts" when it comes to their European ancestry. Are most Europeans "pure?" For example, are most of the French living in France actually 100% French? Or the Italians in Italy 100%? Or is there usually something else mixed in there? Does it vary from country to country? I have noticed that if somebody living in the U.S. Had one set of grandparents immigrate from a particular country(let's use Ireland for this example), so they will assume they are 50% Irish. But is that usually always the case?
There's no such thing. When you go back in history, you see that populations were wandering around almost since Europe was first populated. Some were making war and conquering (Goths, Visigoths, Huns, Scythians, etc.), others were just wandering (Celts, among others), still others were trading, and set up trading settlements (Greeks, for ex. Vikings did both: war/pillage and trade). Some ethnicities were formed from the combination of the first migrants into an area after the Ice Age, and later arrivals (Balts, for ex.)
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Yeah that too is a big factor. The exchange programs are getting more and more popular. And there are still so many other factors that contribute to the mixing, old and new.
Did you know there's still a lot of Spanish heritage here too, going back to the days of the 80 year war and the Spanish occupation of the Netherlands?
I live near the village Sint Willebrord and the people there have very much Spanish facial features, like pitch black hair and eyes, very masculine features, heavy beard. They're known for that around where i live. Many people from there you'd easily mistake for Spaniards. During the occupation a lot of Spanish soldiers got Dutch woman and stayed there and build families.
Yes, I know. There are some people that look somewhat Spaniard in southern Netherlands. I noticed that during my holiday trip in Zeeland and North Brabant in August 2011. I just visited "twee gebroeders" windmill in Roosendaal, and the owner has even darker features than me.
Yes, most people are originary from within national boundaries.
Another question is that many are from different regions from within the same country.
Most people were local until industrial and agricultural revolution.
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