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Old 10-03-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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Who knows? That would add a degree of uncertainty that would collapse economy. In the "intermezzo", Catalonia would become a barren country, corralito included.

Just another thing... Catalans are good entrepeneurs capable of creating large family owned and public companies...but TERRIBLE public administrators.

Awful POLITICIANS, so in a way Madrileños are better (that's saying a lot). I guess it has to do with the Mediterranean, Naples and Sicily are in a way very related to Catalonia and Valencia.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:29 AM
 
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For the record, I am not necessarily in favour of independence for Catalonia. I happen to think that in most cases from an economic standpoint it would be better for the entity that is thinking of seceding to remain within the larger entity.

But that still doesn't mean I believe the ''sky is falling" economic arguments that are always given in opposition to independence movement.
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Old 10-03-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Sevilla is a third rate city with no industry. Not to mention highways, etc.

But Seville is a popular place for tourists, si?
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Old 10-03-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Does anyone really believe that an independent Catalonia wouldn't be able to get admitted into the EU? The EU has Bulgaria and Romania in it, but they won't let Catalonia back in? Really????

Juncker won't be head of the EU forever, and he's just saying this in order to not weaken the position of his anti-separatist status quo buddy Rajoy in Madrid.

Money talks, BS walks. You can bet an independent Catalonia would be part of the EU fairly quickly. This is true of an independent Scotland as well BTW.
I think those threats are merely supposed to deter people from voting how they feel. There are other countries with independence movements within, so they want to stifle such movements wherever they can.
But right after an exit, negotiations would start and Catalonia would be admitted again as a new country.

Scare tactics are very common in Europe. Same goes for Euro and EU membership. They keep saying there is no alternative because they are scared that when one country decides to leave and turns out better off than before, others will follow and that whole imperialist EU monster dies.
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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There is little reason to support claims that Catalonia's economy would be halved or that it would fall into a deep recession. These wild claims are more about emotions than logical assessment. Unless there is a reason for Catalan businesses to flee to Madrid or for foreign enterprises to snub Catalonia, there isn't much that would suggest an economic catastrophe. It isn't the public sector, in this case the Spanish government, that drives a country's economy. If the Catalonians plays their cards right they could have a golden opportunity to attract Spanish businesses and foreign investment.
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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Isn't Catalonia Spain's most left-leaning region?
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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Isn't Catalonia Spain's most left-leaning region?
I don't think so. In both Spain and Portugal the south tends to be more leftist. Andalusia is probably by far the most leftist region.
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Isn't Catalonia Spain's most left-leaning region?
Not at all.

Barcelona itself is quite leftist, the current mayor is anti-capitalist, anti Eurozone, anti-NATO and supporter of populist regimes in Latin America (though not different from most large Spanish cities, only Basque Country's capitals are governed by the right) but Catalonia as an Autonomous Community is right-leaning, especially in the economic sense.

Spain's most left-leaning regions are Andalusia, Extremadura, La Mancha and the Canary Islands.
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Old 10-03-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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Here some election results on a map:

https://saintbrendansisland.files.wo...2008-2011a.png
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:23 AM
 
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I don't think so. In both Spain and Portugal the south tends to be more leftist. Andalusia is probably by far the most leftist region.


Left and right classifications in this part of the world are a laugh, really. More like a comic book.
The main political party in Catalonia is Convergencia.
Convergencia is a nationalist, rightist to the marrow and "pactist", the party voted by Catalans "de la seva" (seva means onion, but the real meaning is some sort of "I made it my way".
A "hinge party" capable of allying themselves with any other part notwithstanding their "ideology".
Problem now, right now, that Convergencia is forced to pact with extreme-left, hypercommunist-chavista parties like CUP, that are totally demoted from reality...and the "electoral base" of Convergencia are Catalan peasants, middle class, rightist, conservative, disguised neo-francoist in many instances.
The mayor of Barcelona, that was almost expelled two days ago, is a woman that was a "squatter leader", super-anti-über antikapitalist, she hates tourism and she's totally nuts, so right now the City Hall of Barcelona works because she's being ignored and scorned.
So independence will never be possible because chavista wanabees are not Catalan nationalist, but "internationalists"...anty-system, haschischins-porreros and doggieflutes. Just a laugh.
Catalonia has declared independency many times during the last century, three or four times.

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