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I very much doubt anyone is starving in Finland, nor likely to be any time soon.
Yes there is!!! There is people who don't eat every day because they have no money. What if you people who think there is no suffering would once get down from your high circles and go "down to earth" to look what it is for some people. Some peoples week days are fighting and surviving with cents.
Breadlines exist but breadline gives what gives and if allergies etc. cannot necessarily eat anything. What do you think those people are in a line for? For food. Do you know what it is without food? Starving.
Don't forget there is lot of students, retired, unemployed etc. people who are starving in this moment at year 2016 in finland.
It is one big beautiful cover that people are trying to keep up of their lands but who believes in that beautiful cover just wants to continue hiding the ugly truth.
How kids and graduates are going to survive of their loans etc. when they are not getting a job after graduating? If they are paying rent and rest of the benefits goes to loans thanks to forced loan system, what they are going to eat? Nails?
If YOUR things are good, it does not mean every each persons things are good.
And no, it is not always just alcohol or drug problems why people are in troubles. They can be very nice regular folks that just have no any chances to change their fate, for example via getting a job. = see the rates
If born into a poor family /single parent with low paid job or unemployed, never had long term job, loans for studying etc. there is no way out of poverty. Also without rich parents cannot even have more loan to start a business etc.
The free healthcare is a bubble as well, some are getting treatment and some are not. On the paper everyone is getting it, in a practise some people are sent back home.
Before you learnt all from the finnish poor people about their life stories, don't share the ideal that there is no problems to get something to eat.
Yes there is!!! There is people who don't eat every day because they have no money. What if you people who think there is no suffering would once get down from your high circles and go "down to earth" to look what it is for some people. Some peoples week days are fighting and surviving with cents.
Breadlines exist but breadline gives what gives and if allergies etc. cannot necessarily eat anything. What do you think those people are in a line for? For food. Do you know what it is without food? Starving.
Don't forget there is lot of students, retired, unemployed etc. people who are starving in this moment at year 2016 in finland.
It is one big beautiful cover that people are trying to keep up of their lands but who believes in that beautiful cover just wants to continue hiding the ugly truth.
How kids and graduates are going to survive of their loans etc. when they are not getting a job after graduating? If they are paying rent and rest of the benefits goes to loans thanks to forced loan system, what they are going to eat? Nails?
If YOUR things are good, it does not mean every each persons things are good.
And no, it is not always just alcohol or drug problems why people are in troubles. They can be very nice regular folks that just have no any chances to change their fate, for example via getting a job. = see the rates
If born into a poor family /single parent with low paid job or unemployed, never had long term job, loans for studying etc. there is no way out of poverty. Also without rich parents cannot even have more loan to start a business etc.
The free healthcare is a bubble as well, some are getting treatment and some are not. On the paper everyone is getting it, in a practise some people are sent back home.
Before you learnt all from the finnish poor people about their life stories, don't share the ideal that there is no problems to get something to eat.
I thought from a certain poster that Finland was a perfect country...best education system in the world and everyone a genius, everyone gets a free PHD, best medical care in the world free, and a new Volvo and never has to work and the 1 million male ISIS refugees would triple the economy. Is that not accurate?
In every country you will find food banks, even in Switzerland. In Germany for example we have about 900 food banks with more than 2,100 food distribution points. 1.5m people in need go regularly to food banks.
Our local food bank here in Düsseldorf has even made promo videos to convince people with lower incomes to go the food bank:
The mother in this video has two kids. She's a single mother. She has multiple sclerosis and can't find a job. She lives in a middle class city district. She gets benefits in the amount of 1,881 Euro per month (assumed rent 575 Euro). After paying the rent she has 1,306 Euro. Average spendings per person for food in Germany is about 150 Euro. So she should be able to get along with about 350 Euro for food. After the expenses for food she still would have about 950 Euro left. It's absolutely clear that she don't need to go to the food bank. She even would be able to go on holiday with her kids in Spain for two weeks, every year.
In the video she says, by going to the food bank, she can save money. So she can spend more money for her kids or safe it for them. Maybe she can save 100-150 Euro per month. That's a lot of money.
Like most food banks the food bank in Düsseldorf operates under the legal form "eingetragener Verein" (non-profit society). The food bank in Düsseldorf has too much money. But they are not allowed to stockpile money (fiscal reasons because of legal form). Therefore the food bank has to expand their offerings. They make promotion to get more "customers". They have even started afternoon meetings for elderly people with coffee and cake. It's getting less and less awkward to go to a food bank.
The existence of food banks, doesn't mean that the people are starving.
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Are others that bad as well, Denmark, Sweden, Norway??
In every country you will find poverty. That should't be new for something from the U.S.
BTW, the unemployed person in the employment office seems to be able to spend about 100 Euros for a pair of sneakers
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In every country you will find food banks, even in Switzerland. In Germany for example we have about 900 food banks with more than 2,100 food distribution points. 1.5m people in need go regularly to food banks.
Our local food bank here in Düsseldorf has even made promo videos to convince people with lower incomes to go the food bank:
The mother in this video has two kids. She's a single mother. She has multiple sclerosis and can't find a job. She lives in a middle class city district. She gets benefits in the amount of 1,881 Euro per month (assumed rent 575 Euro). After paying the rent she has 1,306 Euro. Average spendings per person for food in Germany is about 150 Euro. So she should be able to get along with about 350 Euro for food. After the expenses for food she still would have about 950 Euro left. It's absolutely clear that she don't need to go to the food bank. She even would be able to go on holiday with her kids in Spain for two weeks, every year.
But in the video she says, by going to the food bank, she can save money. So she can spend more money for her kids or safe it for them. Maybe she can save 100-150 Euro per month. That's a lot of money.
Like most food banks the food bank in Düsseldorf operates under the legal form "eingetragener Verein" (non-profit society). The food bank in Düsseldorf has too much money. But they are not allowed to stockpile money (fiscal reasons because of legal form). Therefore the food bank has to expand their offerings. They make promotion to get more "customers". They have even started afternoon meetings for elderly people with coffee and cake.
The existence of food banks, doesn't mean that the people are starving.
And your example (which I cannot see) does not mean that there is no people in a breadline who have no any money to buy food. Really people, try to understand that there is people in so hard situations today that they have no other sources for the food than breadline. Some people are using it to save money to other purposes but some people need it to get something to eat. I know few people who get the bags just to give them to their friends so instead 1 bag they are getting 2 or 3 and that is only way to survive.
In finland actually for example after failed business or failed farming you might be leaved out of benefits system. Social services are supposed to help all people so I guess they are not people then?
Like I said you cannot know what kind of backrounds people have, everyone has their own story.
In every country you will find poverty. Pretty sure that the poor in Scandinavian countries have it better than the poor in the U.S.
BTW, the unemployed person in the employment office seems to be able to spend about 100 Euros for a pair of sneakers
Or then got them as birthday present /christmas present / donation / via 36 months payment...
Or then got them as birthday present /christmas present / donation / via 36 months payment...
Of course imaginable. Nike Air Max shoes for €139 Euro doesn't seem uncommon in Germany for people that live on benefits. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with that. Better than wearing ugly shoes for 10 Euro. Of course living is hard for them. But in my opinion, their living standard is ok. They are normally able to avoid that strangers will detect that they live on social benefits.
The irony of it all is that when several countries in the euro zone suffered from the global economic crisis Finland, notably the True Finns Party, strongly opposed the bailouts stating that they didn't want Finn tax-payer money to go to "lazy" and "corrupt" countries. Now it seems like they are about to go through the same situation.
Of course imaginable. Nike Air Max shoes for €139 Euro doesn't seem uncommon in Germany for people that live on benefits. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with that. Better than wearing ugly shoes for 10 Euro. Of course living is hard for them. But in my opinion, their living standard is ok. They are normally able to avoid that strangers will detect that they live on social benefits.
I actually donate my old shoes, eccos, clarks, nikes etc. they goes to clients of social benefits indeed.
I would not say the problem is uglyness of 10 euros shoes but rather poor quality that does not last and is able to harm feet. If you in any case have to buy several 10 euros shoes at year + costs what comes to fixing sick feet it is cheaper to buy expensive shoes and have healthy feet.
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