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the demonstrators who attacked a ...children's hospital in Paris were not moslems but communists/ anarchists. Agreed , no one was killed there ....yet...but I Wonder which is the biggest threat of both right now in dommed France.
I just heard an interview of a muslim man of french citizenship who has received a house arrest because he used to know another muslim man who has been in jail for 15 years.
He lost his job because his boss does not trust him anymore (think about it, the police gave him a house arrest, there must be a reason), can not see his children who live in another city, just because he is muslim, even though he has a french citizenship. That is not the only case, there are hundreds of cases like this in France right now. You bet he does not feel welcome anymore even if that's his own country.
This is starting to look like 1940, except that muslims have replaced jews to portray the enemy.
Except in 1940 Jews weren't bombing or murdering people around the world in the name of their religion. They were hated for their financial success and the mere fact they were Jews. In this case Muslims around the world are carrying out attacks on women, homosexuals, Jews, Christians, Hindus.
Except in 1940 Jews weren't bombing or murdering people around the world in the name of their religion. They were hated for their financial success and the mere fact they were Jews. In this case Muslims around the world are carrying out attacks on women, homosexuals, Jews, Christians, Hindus.
Ok, so in your opinion the fact that some extremists are murdering people justifies the fact that all the people of a certain religion should be ostracized ? This will only breed more extremists.
Ok, so in your opinion the fact that some extremists are murdering people justifies the fact that all the people of a certain religion should be ostracized ? This will only breed more extremists.
As a liberal-conservative , I'm against ostracizing anyone (2nd amendment), even Nazis or Commies or followers of the Church of Scdientology (to name but a few instances of sectarian thinking).
However in France , there is a real problem of breakdown of public order due to the general inability of our weak government. That is the actual problem .
And of course as a consequence nefarious forces of all kinds (moslem extremists,anarchists, yobs, etc) are
having a field day right now in that poor country of mine.
As a liberal-conservative , I'm against ostracizing anyone (2nd amendment), even Nazis or Commies or followers of the Church of Scdientology (to name but a few instances of sectarian thinking).
However in France , there is a real problem of breakdown of public order due to the general inability of our weak government. That is the actual problem .
And of course as a consequence nefarious forces of all kinds (moslem extremists,anarchists, yobs, etc) are
having a field day right now in that poor country of mine.
I was just pointing out the fact that regular well-behaving muslim people (and there are many) are being ostracized because of the extremists. This reminds me of the situation of jews before the war, when being jew was enough to put you in trouble. I am not saying that jews and muslims are alike nor that jews were making bombings in the 1930s, I just mean that a religion is enough to put people aside now, and that is not ok in a country whose pride is secularism and integration of minorities.
Islam is not to blame. The French government is to blame. French government has taken on French territory a bunch of thugs.
The ones who are causing the most amount of damage at the moment are nationalist hooligans who came to support the Russian National Team but no word about them
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the demonstrators who attacked a ...children's hospital in Paris were not moslems but communists/ anarchists. Agreed , no one was killed there ....yet...but I Wonder which is the biggest threat of both right now in dommed France.
The conservatives who want to revert the country several years back and who want to strip alongside the Socialist Party the workers of another piece of their rights
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I was just pointing out the fact that regular well-behaving muslim people (and there are many) are being ostracized because of the extremists. This reminds me of the situation of jews before the war, when being jew was enough to put you in trouble. I am not saying that jews and muslims are alike nor that jews were making bombings in the 1930s, I just mean that a religion is enough to put people aside now, and that is not ok in a country whose pride is secularism and integration of minorities.
I agree that the government is weak.
The French approach to the matter of integration is clearly not working but i think it depends from city to city. There has been a service going on (TV7 on Rai 1) in Italy before the Euros started who pointed out the difference between the Muslim community in Montpellier who was well integrated and the radicalized community in nearby Lunel. I think it just goes on to show that a more comprehensive approach to the matter is needed, they need to be integrated and to feel citizens of our country in the same way we do. After all, what IS is seeking with these attacks is to turn our countries against the Muslim communities and to marginalize them so they can have a larger and easier recruitment.
I will even bring an example that's relevant to Italy. The Muslim community in Turin where the left wing has ruled for years is much more integrated and not as radicalized as in Brescia and surroundings where there's been the highest percentage of foreign fighters and integration has been harder due to matters such as xenophobia and racism (the area is a right wing stronghold)
The ones who are causing the most amount of damage at the moment are nationalist hooligans who came to support the Russian National Team but no word about them
The conservatives who want to revert the country several years back and who want to strip alongside the Socialist Party the workers of another piece of their rights
The French approach to the matter of integration is clearly not working but i think it depends from city to city. There has been a service going on (TV7 on Rai 1) in Italy before the Euros started who pointed out the difference between the Muslim community in Montpellier who was well integrated and the radicalized community in nearby Lunel. I think it just goes on to show that a more comprehensive approach to the matter is needed, they need to be integrated and to feel citizens of our country in the same way we do. After all, what IS is seeking with these attacks is to turn our countries against the Muslim communities and to marginalize them so they can have a larger and easier recruitment.
I will even bring an example that's relevant to Italy. The Muslim community in Turin where the left wing has ruled for years is much more integrated and not as radicalized as in Brescia and surroundings where there's been the highest percentage of foreign fighters and integration has been harder due to matters such as xenophobia and racism (the area is a right wing stronghold)
the Imam from Montpellier actually did a lot of field work and took many muslim kids off the street, which was much better than the situation in Lunel. Unfortunately he also received a house arrest for a couple of months and had to go through the whole process. He was the first French Imam to speak against the people who had done both attacks in Paris (Charlie Hebdo and the attacks in november).
Yeah, I recently read a book about IS' communication which is really interesting, actually you can find it online on pdf (http://www.ispionline.it/it/EBook/TW...ZIONE_ISIS.pdf), there was that story about that kid in Brescia who fled to Syria after he had been a local rapper. At least the foreign fighter phenomenon is quite limited in Italy at the moment, compared to France or Belgium at least.
The French integration policy started to fail in the 90s after the Paris bombing and the repressive policy that was engaged by the then right wing government. It has always gotten worse after that.
When I was in high school in the mid/late 90s, religion was hardly spoken about. I went to a school in a relatively lower middle class area in the periphery of Lyon with a large community of people of maghreb origin, and I don't remember seeing many people wearing the traditional muslim clothing in public. There was definitely a social and cultural difference between the kids who came from the surrounding poor areas and us long-haired, flannel wearing upper middle class kids from the further individual housing suburbia but we certainly got along quite well compared to what it looks like now.
Ok, so in your opinion the fact that some extremists are murdering people justifies the fact that all the people of a certain religion should be ostracized ? This will only breed more extremists.
"Extremist" are using mosque in France and Belgium and other parts of the world to recruit and provide support (technical, financial, material, and a place to hide) to terrorist. True, not all Muslims are terrorist but nearly 50% of Muslims believe homosexuals should be in prison or executed, Sharia should be the law in all countries. Many also believe Jews are evil monsters that need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Too many identify themselves as Muslim over citizen of the country they reside. When the mosque give shelter to the terrorist how are the authorities to know who are honest hard working peaceful Muslims and who are terrorist and their willing supporters?
the Imam from Montpellier actually did a lot of field work and took many muslim kids off the street, which was much better than the situation in Lunel. Unfortunately he also received a house arrest for a couple of months and had to go through the whole process. He was the first French Imam to speak against the people who had done both attacks in Paris (Charlie Hebdo and the attacks in november).
Yeah, I recently read a book about IS' communication which is really interesting, actually you can find it online on pdf (http://www.ispionline.it/it/EBook/TW...ZIONE_ISIS.pdf), there was that story about that kid in Brescia who fled to Syria after he had been a local rapper. At least the foreign fighter phenomenon is quite limited in Italy at the moment, compared to France or Belgium at least.
The French integration policy started to fail in the 90s after the Paris bombing and the repressive policy that was engaged by the then right wing government. It has always gotten worse after that.
When I was in high school in the mid/late 90s, religion was hardly spoken about. I went to a school in a relatively lower middle class area in the periphery of Lyon with a large community of people of maghreb origin, and I don't remember seeing many people wearing the traditional muslim clothing in public. There was definitely a social and cultural difference between the kids who came from the surrounding poor areas and us long-haired, flannel wearing upper middle class kids from the further individual housing suburbia but we certainly got along quite well compared to what it looks like now.
Muslims have moved to more strict and old style Islam since the 1990s in many parts of the world, regardless of the local government and populace. It's as if the people of Islam are regressing backwards towards the 8th century.
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