[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by THX 1138

Gainesville is far from being Silicon Valley or another RTP which was created in 1959, so Gainesville has a lot of catching up to do as does the entire state of FL, Tourism is still King...

Are you just making up your own topics to debate? Tourism has never been anything in Gainesville. They do have a rather ambitious plan.

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[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by Gatornation

Are you just making up your own topics to debate? Tourism has never been anything in Gainesville. They do have a rather ambitious plan.

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Are you making blanket statements on things which have not fully blossomed and may never?

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Aside from that, it will be hard to lure many to Gainesville, it's far from a place many desire to live. Why do you think Scripps, Max Planck and etc chose Palm Beach County? Scripps, well it's the best thing after La Jolla....suppose the perceived rank of UF being a great school did not help much in that department....don't worry though FAU banked on it and has saw little in ROI...

FAU = Find Another University...

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[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by THX 1138

Are you making blanket statements on things which have not fully blossomed and may never?

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Aside from that, it will be hard to lure many to Gainesville, it's far from a place many desire to live. Why do you think Scripps, Max Planck and etc chose Palm Beach County? Scripps, well it's the best thing after La Jolla....suppose the perceived rank of UF being a great school did not help much in that department....don't worry though FAU banked on it and has saw little in ROI...

FAU = Find Another University...

Slow return for FAU in Scripps investment - Sun Sentinel

I posted part if an article and you are making up things to debate. I never said anything about RTP or Silicon Valley. FAU is not a very good school while UF is the 14th ranked public university and an AAU institution.

I'm sure you already have a respone ready that is not related to my actual post.

[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by Gatornation

I posted part if an article and you are making up things to debate. I never said anything about RTP or Silicon Valley. FAU is not a very good school while UF is the 14th ranked public university and an AAU institution.

I'm sure you already have a respone ready that is not related to my actual post.

Not "making up" anything to debate, just stating the data. There is no high tech hub or plethora of jobs in the sector here or anyplace else in Florida, it's a good move if it happens but it's far from fruition and severely late in the game.

UF is mediocre in my opinion...but people here think it's great, academically it's lacking based on graduates I have hired at my firm...forgot the pomp and circumstance, generally speaking all of my interns and some full-timers are Florida educated, most are really not too impressive but we hired some some out-of-state educated grads, Northeast schools primarily but a couple from Southeast schools, UNC and etc... and have found quality to be substantially higher and many were able to hit the ground running or had great English Composition skills or Geography, basic core competence that most people educated in the Northeast had in grades 1-5.

Also had one UF grad that left the firm, he would come to me and cry a lot about Senior level Staff who would correct his mistakes and try to give him constructive criticism, he was not having it and though a recent grad acted like a total KIA which was often not caught by some other staff, but a few caught on when he cried wolf.

Whether or not some Florida Higher Ed in general are ranked high, the fact is many graduates leave the state due to the massive brain drain here. It's not like Stanford where you can expect tons of jobs to be at your doorstep after graduation.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by THX 1138

Not "making up" anything to debate, just stating the data. There is no high tech hub or plethora of jobs in the sector here or anyplace else in Florida, it's a good move if it happens but it's far from fruition and severely late in the game.

UF is mediocre in my opinion...but people here think it's great, academically it's lacking based on graduates I have hired at my firm...forgot the pomp and circumstance, generally speaking all of my interns and some full-timers are Florida educated, most are really not too impressive but we hired some some out-of-state educated grads, Northeast schools primarily but a couple from Southeast schools, UNC and etc... and have found quality to be substantially higher and many were able to hit the ground running or had great English Composition skills or Geography, basic core competence that most people educated in the Northeast had in grades 1-5.

Also had one UF grad that left the firm, he would come to me and cry a lot about Senior level Staff who would correct his mistakes and try to give him constructive criticism, he was not having it and though a recent grad acted like a total KIA which was often not caught by some other staff, but a few caught on when he cried wolf.

Whether or not some Florida Higher Ed in general are ranked high, the fact is many graduates leave the state due to the massive brain drain here. It's not like Stanford where you can expect tons of jobs to be at your doorstep after graduation.

So UF isn't Stanford or UNC. Do you have any other breaking news? Seems off your firm basically only hires UF grads but they are all average....

Plenty if UF grads do leave the state.

[THX 1138]

Originally Posted by Gatornation

So UF isn't Stanford or UNC. Do you have any other breaking news? Seems off your firm basically only hires UF grads but they are all average....

Plenty if UF grads do leave the state.

Nope, it's not even close to most schools from the Northeast but that's another topic. My firm does not only hire UF grads, we hire a mix of whomever is in the vicinity, or in the case of interns those that are back in the area during the summer. Just based on my years of being with this company I have seen, on average, some sub-par core competency from several Florida educated people. Like I said once before, one UF kid I had in, embarrassed the firm in front of a HNW client from NY, said that Long Island was a State, not part of New York. The client was from Southhampton, NY which is located on Long Island.

Well after the Gator, who was overly confident and started talking like a KIA made the statement, there was pin drop silence afterwards. The client looked at me like what type of people are you hiring? I hoped it did not get back to my Boss, but I did damage control and got it resolved.

Needless to say I had a talk with the Gator, 1:1 and I said to him, "since when did you think Long Island was a state?" He said, I thought it always was. I said can you name the 50 states, he started to ramble off and got as far as 10 and said that's all I know. Quite pathetic but that's only the tip of the iceberg with him.

Not only that, his English composition was really poor, and he was a Florida native, and no not of Spanish descent so no excuses there. Overall I had a few that were sub-par, but sure I do not want to say it's 100%, but it seems most cannot spell too well.

In my line of work, numbers and statements are very stringent, I just cannot hire people who do not have basic core competency that most 5th graders in the Northeast can ramble off in a few minutes. I have been told by a Teacher friend of mine that on the grass roots level, early education in the state is the result of this and I am beginning to see it.

[kyle19125]

I completely agree with THX1138 regarding FL grads in general and have always wondered why the sophistication level wasn't there compared to grads from other states I have known. I do realize Florida doesn't have that kind of feel to it generally (sophistication) but from an educational standpoint and more universal acceptance as a graduate, you would think that would be something these college programs night want to tackle.

[Spring Hillian]

A state does not provide "sophistication". Individuals do. Seems some here blame the State of FL for everything and anything that is not the same as it is elsewhere. Its the individual, not the state. These threads constantly state that a person is doomed because they live or were educated in FL. Nonsense.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by THX 1138

Nope, it's not even close to most schools from the Northeast but that's another topic. My firm does not only hire UF grads, we hire a mix of whomever is in the vicinity, or in the case of interns those that are back in the area during the summer. Just based on my years of being with this company I have seen, on average, some sub-par core competency from several Florida educated people. Like I said once before, one UF kid I had in, embarrassed the firm in front of a HNW client from NY, said that Long Island was a State, not part of New York. The client was from Southhampton, NY which is located on Long Island.

Well after the Gator, who was overly confident and started talking like a KIA made the statement, there was pin drop silence afterwards. The client looked at me like what type of people are you hiring? I hoped it did not get back to my Boss, but I did damage control and got it resolved.

Needless to say I had a talk with the Gator, 1:1 and I said to him, "since when did you think Long Island was a state?" He said, I thought it always was. I said can you name the 50 states, he started to ramble off and got as far as 10 and said that's all I know. Quite pathetic but that's only the tip of the iceberg with him.

Not only that, his English composition was really poor, and he was a Florida native, and no not of Spanish descent so no excuses there. Overall I had a few that were sub-par, but sure I do not want to say it's 100%, but it seems most cannot spell too well.

In my line of work, numbers and statements are very stringent, I just cannot hire people who do not have basic core competency that most 5th graders in the Northeast can ramble off in a few minutes. I have been told by a Teacher friend of mine that on the grass roots level, early education in the state is the result of this and I am beginning to see it.

Did you ever learn about drawing conclusions from small sample sizes.......

Seems like your firm keeps hiring and using them so that clearly indicates something.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

I completely agree with THX1138 regarding FL grads in general and have always wondered why the sophistication level wasn't there compared to grads from other states I have known. I do realize Florida doesn't have that kind of feel to it generally (sophistication) but from an educational standpoint and more universal acceptance as a graduate, you would think that would be something these college programs night want to tackle.

How do you rate the sophistication level of your school? I take you you have more anecdotal evidence?