[expatCA]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Cancer is growth. Usually they cut it out in order to stabilize the patient. Just sayin'. Not all growth is good, not by a long shot. Is the growth of the mosquito population good? Python population? How about the growth of the sugar industry? People seem to forget what happened when the green goo spread from Lake Okeechobee all the way to Port St. Lucie. But that's growth, right?

Maybe the way to handle growth is to make Florida completely unaffordable to live here except for the more affluent population.

So, then, what difference does it make whether or not we have offshore drilling?

So you want to kill people to stop growth? Otherwise the examples you gave are meaningless.

The price rise is driving people away in CA, but more are coming from other Countries, birth rate and staying. CA is in effect doing what you want, pricing (some) people out, but it isn't stopping their growth either. FL would and will see the same thing eventually. What will you do about the children of residents when they want to live near their parents, or other family members who want to move by them? You can't stop growth, you manage it the best you can. Zoning laws are a good way, keep apts and condo's to a minimum. Oops that won't work in FL.

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by expatCA

So you want to kill people to stop growth? Otherwise the examples you gave are meaningless.

The price rise is driving people away in CA, but more are coming from other Countries, birth rate and staying. CA is in effect doing what you want, pricing (some) people out, but it isn't stopping their growth either. FL would and will see the same thing eventually. What will you do about the children of residents when they want to live near their parents, or other family members who want to move by them? You can't stop growth, you manage it the best you can. Zoning laws are a good way, keep apts and condo's to a minimum. Oops that won't work in FL.

Doesn't CA have drilling rigs right off some of the beaches?

Anyway, I get what you're saying. Nothing can be done about it, just let everyone jam in, build where you want to build, let the traffic just pile up until things don't/can't function anymore because how else are you going to stop it?

[kmarc]

OK, how about this? Maybe some of the Northern states pay for people to re-locate to their state? (Except that won't work in places like CT, which is pretty much busted out financially).

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by fitch12

This thread sickens me because no one seems to give a crap about the concrete being layed over the entire state but offshore drilling ZOMG!

Yeah let's have asinine zoning and new construction laws like SF so we can make everyone pay seven figures for a home.

That's the ticket!

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Doesn't CA have drilling rigs right off some of the beaches?

Anyway, I get what you're saying. Nothing can be done about it, just let everyone jam in, build where you want to build, let the traffic just pile up until things don't/can't function anymore because how else are you going to stop it?

Yes CA has drilling platforms off some beaches.

The only way for a while, is to build away from city centers including business locations and all the goodies people get in cities. Then they don't have to drive to the city and traffic there and everywhere gets better. Well until things like the ST, Tampa, Clearwater areas get built out and ... traffic, crowding and frustration occurs.

I grew up in Orange County CA and it was great until all the the kids grew up, illegals moved in in droves, foreigners with money moved in, politicians received nice contributions from developers and the end result is overcrowding, heavy traffic all day and costs through the roof.

You want quieter areas for as long as possible? Move away from the big cities.

After all what can you do about population growth that requires more places to live, etc? The way things operate now there is no way to spread out. Frustrating, yes, but how do you change what people want? Tell them they must live where the Winter average temp is 10F?

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Yes CA has drilling platforms off some beaches.

The only way for a while, is to build away from city centers including business locations and all the goodies people get in cities. Then they don't have to drive to the city and traffic there and everywhere gets better. Well until things like the ST, Tampa, Clearwater areas get built out and ... traffic, crowding and frustration occurs.

I grew up in Orange County CA and it was great until all the the kids grew up, illegals moved in in droves, foreigners with money moved in, politicians received nice contributions from developers and the end result is overcrowding, heavy traffic all day and costs through the roof.

You want quieter areas for as long as possible? Move away from the big cities.

After all what can you do about population growth that requires more places to live, etc? The way things operate now there is no way to spread out. Frustrating, yes, but how do you change what people want? Tell them they must live where the Winter average temp is 10F?

I grew up in the NY burbs. No one minded living there when I was a kid, in fact we loved it. It seems to me that the winters were snowy. Cold, yes, but not as cold as it seems to be now. We loved all the seasons. Some people took their winter break at the ski mountains, some came to Florida.

In any event, I think money was what made the winters bearable. The jobs. The sense of community and social groups. The cold is easier to deal with when there's more money and jobs.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by expatCA

So you want to kill people to stop growth? Otherwise the examples you gave are meaningless.

The price rise is driving people away in CA, but more are coming from other Countries, birth rate and staying. CA is in effect doing what you want, pricing (some) people out, but it isn't stopping their growth either. FL would and will see the same thing eventually. What will you do about the children of residents when they want to live near their parents, or other family members who want to move by them? You can't stop growth, you manage it the best you can. Zoning laws are a good way, keep apts and condo's to a minimum. Oops that won't work in FL.

The difference between the growth in CA and the growth in FL is sustainability. CA has and will be able to continue to support their development via fair wages (for the most part) and smart growth, versus the low wage paradise and rubber-stamping of any/all development here in FL.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The difference between the growth in CA and the growth in FL is sustainability. CA has and will be able to continue to support their development via fair wages (for the most part) and smart growth, versus the low wage paradise and rubber-stamping of any/all development here in FL.

Don't kid yourself, CA is a fiscal mess and a higher COL of living than FL and the population has 30% below the poverty level.

What is a Fair Wage? Who sets it? If the State how do they help businesses pay the new wage? The increase in minimum wage is showing a lot of negatives now as it causes a rise in business taxes, unemployment insurance, Workman's Comp, and more. I own 3 business in CA and I can tell you it ain't helping and I do not pay anyone minimum wage and never have. More automation in fast food, higher prices in restaurants (and yes I have seen and am seeing that). Now minimum wage is not the only reason, but it is part of it. The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage, just a starter wage. Kinda like a paper route was a starter job.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The difference between the growth in CA and the growth in FL is sustainability. CA has and will be able to continue to support their development via fair wages (for the most part) and smart growth, versus the low wage paradise and rubber-stamping of any/all development here in FL.

A "fair" wage? Six figure Google and Facebook workers can barely afford their rent in the Bay area.... let alone the ability to buy a house

"Fair" wage is a loaded term used by liberals without any real definition.

Is it a fair wage when an educated software engineer can't afford a place to live?

[HWTechGuy]

Trump administration says it won't allow oil drilling off the coast of Florida, bowing to pressure - Story | FOX 13 Tampa Bay

/thread