[expatCA]

Originally Posted by RedneckRebel

I seems to remember learning in the 3rd grade something about how plants convert carbon dioxide into oxygen...

Unfortunately not fast enough or enough in total, to drop the rising levels.

[beach43ofus]

Why do so many people who firmly believe in rising sea levels live here in Florida? They obviously don't really believe it at all...or they are suicidal. Maybe they know the exact date it's going to occur, and they know they have enough time on their hands...like 100,000,000 years!

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

Why do so many people who firmly believe in rising sea levels live here in Florida? They obviously don't really believe it at all...or they are suicidal. Maybe they know the exact date it's going to occur, and they know they have enough time on their hands...like 100,000,000 years!

You're a perfect example of persons unwilling to accept the empirical data and the warnings of scientists. You can't even accept what is happening in Miami Beach, which has spent $500 million in an attempt to adapt to rising sea levels. Perhaps you can tell us, why do you remain a climate change denier in the face of all of the evidence? Do you deny the massive ice melt well underway in the Arctic, Greenland, and Antarctica, as well as land glaciers? Do you deny the thawing of the tundra? You repeatedly refuse to tell us why you're indifferent to the destruction of Florida's coral reef, let alone to the prospect of more intense and destructive hurricanes. WHY???

Unless a massive effort is made to transition away from fossil fuels, the negative consequences of man-made climate change will be more obvious. The threats to southern Florida's water supplies and underground infrastructure, such as the internet networks, will require costly solutions during the next 15 years.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/62725...infrastructure

https://www.popsci.com/sea-level-ris...ructure#page-3

As is evident in this editorial, it's not clear that Floridians are willing to bear the cost of ensuring even supplies of drinking water in this era of accelerating sea level rise.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion...601-story.html

It's possible that southern Florida, may suddenly face a fresh water crisis for which it has not aggressively prepared. Salt water intrusion could push toxic chemicals from Superfund sites into the Biscayne Aquifer, contaminating the water supplied by the city's water wells. See the excellent map in this article showing the location of Superfund sites and the current saltwater intrusion line. Flooding of underground septic tanks also will pollute the water wells in coming years. Already the region's bond ratings are on the line if water rates aren't increased, especially given that Miami-Dade has a median household income 25 percent below the national average.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-water-problem

Proactive action simply doesn't happen in a state run by man-made climate change deniers, opposed to higher tax burdens whatever the need. Yet southern Florida is on the front lines of climate change, and Miami is the most vulnerable city on the planet, according to some. I guess that deniers don't believe that drinking water availability is an existential issue, as claimed in the above link, assuming that someone ELSE will pay to truck in needed water, even bottled water.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flori...ies-miami.html

What do you think of all of these well explained risks? Why do continue to repeatedly post climate change denier propaganda and inanities, such as sea level rise won't be a problem for 100 million years? Why do you do that???

Of course, as repeatedly noted, Harold Wanless, chairman of the geological sciences department at the Univ. of Miami, is one of the state's top experts on sea level rise. He says that the rate of sea level rise is doubling every seven years, and that rate of global ice melt and sea level rise is underestimated. He anticipates a 15-foot rise by 2100, implying that sea level rise will be much more obvious in south Florida, well beyond Miami Beach, in the immediate decades ahead.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...elizabeth-rush

Yet some Floridians, such as you, continue to disseminate denier propaganda, and a large percentage of the state continues to vote for denier leaders such as Donald Trump, Mario Rubio, Rick Scott, and Ron DeSantis. Many likely are ignorant. Others are greedy, anticipating that they will win any game of music chairs and make a timely exit, not caring about the even greater existential threats of fossil fuel dependency and the dire consequences for future generations. Others are egocentrics, unable to admit the errors of their thinking. Fess up. Why are you such a committed man-made climate change denier???

[RedneckRebel]

Climate-Gate back in 2009 debunked everything you just wasted time posting. Anyone who still believes those lies are just gullible
Next topic...

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by RedneckRebel

Climate-Gate back in 2009 debunked everything you just wasted time posting. Anyone who still believes those lies are just gullible
Next topic...

Incomprehensible, egomaniac, man-made climate change denier malarkey IMO.

[beach43ofus]

Is 2009 when they stopped calling it global warming & started calling it climate change? What was the significance of 2009? Is that when many scientists were busted for plugging false data into their models?

I believe in climate change, but I don't believe it's man-made. We know ice ages have come & gone before humans existed, which prooves the Earth has had natural cooling & warming cycles that were totally unrelated to humans. Florida was totally underwater long ago, & now its not, so sea levels rise & fall naturally too (pre-human). To say these natural temp and water level fluctuations are supposed to stop simply because humans are now present is presumptious at best.

I find the idea that this warming event (so far, too short-termed to call a cycle) is man-made to be incomprehensible, and made up by egomaniacs that think humans are in the center of the Universe. The time span of human climate recordkeeping is a small sliver of time that is millions of years too short to draw any scientific conclusions. It would be like taking 1 grain of sand from Siesta Key beach then saying every beach in Florida is the same (99% quartz, fine in size, & White).

I also find that most of those pushing the man-made angle do not take much action themselves to significantly reduce the size of their own carbon footprints. They are all talk (words), no action hypocrites. The more words you see, the less action they are taking. They do nothing to actually improve the environment, but want others to live as they see fit.

It's a paranoid control disorder.

They think if they can get us all to comply, they will not be afraid anymore, and they will become happier. The reality is that even if we all complied, they wouldn't feel any happier. They'd still be afraid, and unhappy. Then, they'd conjure up a new thing to be afraid of rather than acknowlege they are paranoid.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

Is 2009 when they stopped calling it global warming & started calling it climate change? What was the significance of 2009? Is that when many scientists were busted for plugging false data into their models?

I believe in climate change, but I don't believe it's man-made. We know ice ages have come & gone before humans existed, which prooves the Earth has had natural cooling & warming cycles that were totally unrelated to humans. Florida was totally underwater long ago, & now its not, so sea levels rise & fall naturally too (pre-human). To say these natural temp and water level fluctuations are supposed to stop simply because humans are now present is presumptious at best.

I find the idea that this warming event (so far, too short-termed to call a cycle) is man-made to be incomprehensible, and made up by egomaniacs that think humans are in the center of the Universe. The time span of human climate recordkeeping is a small sliver of time that is millions of years too short to draw any scientific conclusions. It would be like taking 1 grain of sand from Siesta Key beach then saying every beach in Florida is the same (99% quartz, fine in size, & White).

I also find that most of those pushing the man-made angle do not take much action themselves to significantly reduce the size of their own carbon footprints. They are all talk (words), no action hypocrites. The more words you see, the less action they are taking. They do nothing to actually improve the environment, but want others to live as they see fit.

It's a paranoid control disorder.

They think if they can get us all to comply, they will not be afraid anymore, and they will become happier. The reality is that even if we all complied, they wouldn't feel any happier. They'd still be afraid, and unhappy. Then, they'd conjure up a new thing to be afraid of rather than acknowlege they are paranoid.

Deniers, like you, repeatedly are unable to explain what happens to the ANNUAL 35 billion metric tons from fossil fuel burning that ACCUMULATES, in addition to emissions from previous years, in the earth's atmosphere and oceans. You ignore all of the empirical data and scientific research that explains the dire consequences of this unmitigated and disastrous pollution. How is that possible???

Instead deniers continue to disseminate "Big Lie," man-made climate change science denier propaganda. Even the conservative Supreme Court recognizes that environmental degradation is a material issue for future generations. See post 622 in this thread.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flori...trophe-63.html

Once again, here are articles debunking the denier propaganda in your post.

Contrary to deniers' repeated claims, the earth is NOT cooling. The oceans, as repeatedly documented, have absorbed over 90 percent of the excess heat resulting from greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/glo...termediate.htm

Deniers refuse to recognize that the massive climate change over just a few decades, and the unprecedented environmental degradation, is directly tied to carbon dioxide and other emissions associated with fossil fuel consumption, and not some natural process. With all of the empirical data and scientific research available, the repeated efforts to equate current environmental crisis with natural climate change that occurred over thousands of years and even eons is pathetically obtuse.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/cli...termediate.htm

You repeatedly been asked your opinion about the ongoing destruction of the great Florida coral reef due to man-made ocean warming, pollution, and ocean acidification. You haven't responded, indicating a complete lack of empathy for the tens of thousands of Floridians whose livelihood is impaired, about the negative impact on Florida's fisheries and Florida's sport fishers, and the impact of the loss of one of Florida's greatest natural assets on future generations. A lack of empathy is a prime characteristic of an egomaniac, and obviously empathy, not a lack of it, defines environmentalists, contrary to your assertion.

[beach43ofus]

The sky is NOT falling...its just a darned Acorn. Relax, breathe, inhale...exhale.

Then, ask yourself "what can I do today to save the planet that is not just talking or writing about it?"

Repeat to yourself "I dont need others to change to make me happy"

Become active in clean-ups in your community. Volunteer at the recycling center. Join the Sierra club a participate in thier activities. Do something that will actually make a difference. I guarantee you that is what will make you happier.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

The sky is NOT falling...its just a darned Acorn. Relax, breathe, inhale...exhale.

Then, ask yourself "what can I do today to save the planet that is not just talking or writing about it?"

Repeat to yourself "I dont need others to change to make me happy"

Become active in clean-ups in your community. Volunteer at the recycling center. Join the Sierra club a participate in thier activities. Do something that will actually make a difference. I guarantee you that is what will make you happier.

In other words, don't do anything to disrupt the denier political agenda, nor the campaign of "Big Lie" propaganda which denies the existence of man-made climate change and its dire consequences.

The sky is not falling, but ocean coral is dying, toxic algal blooms are becoming more persistent and severe, hurricanes are becoming more intense and destructive, and accelerating sea level rise is inundating Florida, and you don't care.

Ocean acidification and ocean warming threaten marine plankton, which are at the bottom of the marine food chain and provides much of the world's oxygen, and you don't care.

Again, frighteningly pathetic.

[beach43ofus]

Writing on forums is not a plan to clean up the environment...it's mental masturbation. Failing to convince others to vote for candidates of your choice, or act in a manner you deem fit, is totally ineffective. By the tone of your posts, it's not making you happy.

Volunteer for a candidate you believe in, join the Sierra Club right here in Osprey along 41, or volunteer at the Sarasota Bay Estuary Program on Orange Street Downtown SRQ (see links below).

https://sarasotabay.org/get-involved/

https://www.sierraclub.org/florida