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Old 01-12-2024, 06:43 AM
 
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the rate of sea level rise is 1 inch a decade.....it hasn't changed in over 100 years

2060 is 40 years......sea level will be 4 inches higher

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8723214

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sl...tml?id=8724580
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Old 01-13-2024, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Newcommers...please stay away in case Corrie22 is wrong.

Besides, Hurricane's have storm surges that bring an 8' high wall of water onto the FLA penninsula...you'll be swept away for sure.

Due to global climate change, Hurricane's have become a regular thing down here....you've been warned.

STAY AWAY!
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Old 01-13-2024, 09:29 AM
 
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I'm not a climate change alarmist and think the predictions are a little pessimistic, but, as with most things, change seems to eventually accelerate. Think population or national debt...

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazard...0%20%2D%202020).
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Old 01-13-2024, 09:52 AM
 
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[quote=Arcenal813;66290455]Obviously we're talking about states. What's your point? NY State is far from dense. FAAAAAR from it.[quote]

Yes, NY State as a whole is very spread out, but NYC alone places it above the Top 10 densest states. And ditto for FL, and not just Miami and Miami-Dade communities like Hialeah, Miami Beach, and West M8iami, but growth in the Orlando, Tampa Bay, and Jax areas are also not just boosting FL's population, but increasing FL's density as well!

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LOL! What??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrop...atistical_area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...tistical_areas

I guess what I meant to say is that NY and Miami have the Top 10 MSAs in the country. Miami won't be the largest metro area over NY, but I can foresee Miami and the Cape Coral-Ft Myers MSAs joining to be one huge CSA. If that were to happen, then the Miami (11th largest CSA as of 2022) and Cape Coral-Ft Myers MSAs (47th largest) could become the 6th largest CSA in the US, easily overtaking cities such as Philadelphia, Atlanta, & Houston, and even challenging cities like Dallas and San Jose-San Francisco for a higher rank.

What would need to happen in order to do so is to promote smart growth by building multifamily housing within South and SW FL, as well as creating denser cities in Southern FL, and hopefully even a Brightline link between Miami and the SW FL cities of Naples and Ft Myers. Miami has the potential to literally be a world-class city in the same vein as NY, DC, LA, and Chicago!!!

Here's another great bearer of news for Miami-Dade and it's population growth: https://www.thenextmiami.com/drivers...inued-in-2023/

Last edited by wanderer34; 01-13-2024 at 10:06 AM..
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Old 01-13-2024, 11:59 AM
 
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I'm not a climate change alarmist and think the predictions are a little pessimistic, but, as with most things, change seems to eventually accelerate. Think population or national debt...

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/hazard...0%20%2D%202020).
that report was written 5 years ago....published 4 years ago

...the rate of sea level rise has not changed....it's ~1 inch even 10 years....a decade

they blew it
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Old 01-13-2024, 01:20 PM
 
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Obviously we're talking about states. What's your point? NY State is far from dense. FAAAAAR from it.
Yes, NY State as a whole is very spread out, but NYC alone places it above the Top 10 densest states. And ditto for FL, and not just Miami and Miami-Dade communities like Hialeah, Miami Beach, and West M8iami, but growth in the Orlando, Tampa Bay, and Jax areas are also not just boosting FL's population, but increasing FL's density as well!

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Originally Posted by Arcenal813 View Post
LOL! What??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrop...atistical_area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...tistical_areas

I guess what I meant to say is that NY and Miami have the Top 10 MSAs in the country. Miami won't be the largest metro area over NY, but I can foresee Miami and the Cape Coral-Ft Myers MSAs joining to be one huge CSA. If that were to happen, then the Miami (11th largest CSA as of 2022) and Cape Coral-Ft Myers MSAs (47th largest) could become the 6th largest CSA in the US, easily overtaking cities such as Philadelphia, Atlanta, & Houston, and even challenging cities like Dallas and San Jose-San Francisco for a higher rank.

What would need to happen in order to do so is to promote smart growth by building multifamily housing within South and SW FL, as well as creating denser cities in Southern FL, and hopefully even a Brightline link between Miami and the SW FL cities of Naples and Ft Myers. Miami has the potential to literally be a world-class city in the same vein as NY, DC, LA, and Chicago!!!
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Old 01-13-2024, 01:39 PM
 
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population per square mile....

Java 2,600 persons per square mile

1 New Jersey 1,283.4 per mi²
2 Rhode Island 1,074.3 per mi²
3 Massachusetts 919.82 per mi²
4 Connecticut 746.7 per mi²
5 Maryland 648.84 per mi²
6 Delaware 522.09 per mi²
7 New York 433.9 per mi²
8 Florida 416.96 per mi²

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings...per%20mi%C2%B2.

so Florida is at "extreme" capacity.....with 1/3 of New Jersey
You have to look deeper and not take blanket statistics at face value.

There are numbers out there that show of *livable* land (eg removing the Everglades, since it’s not habitable), FL’s density is much, much higher. That would make counties like Broward and Palm Beach some of the densest in the country.
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Old 01-13-2024, 01:47 PM
 
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...you didn't read post 47
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Old 01-13-2024, 08:17 PM
 
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...you didn't read post 47
I did, and that’s not true for “states, counties and even cities”. Florida is its own animal because not only is so much of the land not buildable, it’s not able to be habitable by human beings. Very, very different. And that’s why there are two metrics specifically for Florida - entire area, and livable area. Using the latter shows actual, true population density.
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Old 01-14-2024, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I did, and that’s not true for “states, counties and even cities”. Florida is its own animal because not only is so much of the land not buildable, it’s not able to be habitable by human beings. Very, very different. And that’s why there are two metrics specifically for Florida - entire area, and livable area. Using the latter shows actual, true population density.
Most of Florida would be considered not habitable for Europeans. However we humans/Europeans are really good at altering the environment for our needs.

Where I live in Florida the indigenous people (Calusa-Tequesta-Loxahatchee) lived near the ocean in summer and moved inland during the winter, mostly due to insects (mosquitos). It was called the land between the rivers (St. Lucie and Loxahatchee River) Johnathan Dickerson state park is there https://www.floridastateparks.org/pa...-state-parkand the Indian River Lagoon https://www.floridastateparks.org/pa...rve-state-park.

However that is not universally true in Florida and this was way before the Seminoles and the Miccosukee.
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