[TXboomerang]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

That 4% carbon tax will go along way to help fund innovation in alternative, cheap, renewable, and inexhaustible fuel supplies.

The problem with the carbon tax is taking from those who have already put in all their hard work and paid their dues to give to someone else that will compete and cause them to lose profits. Yes, I hate big oil too, but they should not have to fund competition, period. I'm all for alternative energy sources and getting away from oil dependency, but govt should not be taking from one to give to a competitor, bad precedent.

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Yes, and some people believe the earth is only 6000 years old. There will always be detractors, but the FACT is that a vast consensus among climate scientists exists as to both the phenomena, and cause (if not the ultimate effects) of global warming as we know it.

There are more and more people waking up to the propaganda machine every day. Even the highly liberal NY Times ran an article about the growing community of skeptics. Oh yeah, right, big oil paid off all who have a differing opinion. Gotta go check my mailbox this morning for my $5k.

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Besides, even if the earth IS warming due to "natural" sources of carbon.... why exacerbate the "natural" phenomena by adding our own CO2 and other greenhouse gasses to speed up the process?

Why is it CO2 and other carbons gets all the hype? Because of the carbon markets waiting to cash in. Even the IPCC that all the global warming believers are so fond of quoting stated that livestock is a much bigger contributor of greenhouse gases than energy sources. In other words, if you consume 4 pounds of meat per week on average and drive a Hummer, you would make a bigger impact on reducing greenhouse emissions by going vegan and keeping the Hummer vs. trading the Hummer for a Prius and keeping your burgers, steaks, ham, eggs, and dairy diet.

This doesn't get one mention from Al Gore because it would be and "Inconvenient Diet" for him and he doesn't believe his own nightmare scenarios anyway.

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Carbon trading schemes are the least restrictive and costly means of effecting change short of just banning or setting emissions caps! It's a free market solution... very unsocialist

Its the false sense of change that bothers me most about the carbon market. Wanna be carbon neutral, but a lifestyle change isn't convenient enough? Keep doing the same thing you are doing and just give some money to a carbon company to "offset" your "damage" to the environment. And big oil is the evil one here?



Besides all of those reasons, one more thing with the whole scam really sticks out the most to me. They are using computer models to predict the entire planets weather and climate for 100 years.

Don't computer models forecast hurricanes and hurricane seasons? Didn't they COMPLETELY blow the 2006 hurricane predictions? Do they ever forecast hurricane tracks, intensities, storm surges, and rainfall amounts correctly? They usually miss these unless its the forecast for the next 12 hours. Anything over that and their accuracy plummets with each day you add to the range.

Do you mean to tell me that somehow the IPCC can forecast for the next hundred years with high accuracy, and that ignoring the meat and livestock industry while developing a market that buys and sells carbon "credits" is somehow good?

[MHarrington]

Originally Posted by tallrick

The only way to save the environment is to control human population. There simply are not enough resources to support the current world population at the standards of living they deserve.

Then maybe we should un-outlaw mass murder and start killing off people Just kidding.

[macguy]

Originally Posted by MHarrington

Then maybe we should un-outlaw mass murder and start killing off people Just kidding.

Stephen Hawking believes it to be the most serious thing facing the human race. The only thing would probably be a natural solution like a new disease. Imagine something like AIDS that spread with the ease of a common cold. He only gave mankind till 2600 before we would pretty much be done for.

Global warming pales by comparison to a planet with little or no resources left and no where to live. I am not religious at all and I believe mankind will in a short time have run it's course as an inhabitant of the planet and as the planet heals it's self and erases any traces of man, new species will emerge and adapt as dominant. We are just a rather brief and somewhat unsuccessful experment in the earths laboratory.

[MHarrington]

The sky is falling! The sky-- Uh, I mean, the sea is rising! The sea is rising! Okay, and the sky is falling, too. I hope Floridians have learned to quack, 'cause they're sitting ducks, it looks like.

[sunrico90]

Originally Posted by macguy

Given a chance, they will spend money and more money and do study after study, a lot of people will get rich and "NOTHING" will be done or change, "NOTHING".

That is true....

[MHarrington]

Originally Posted by macguy

Global warming pales by comparison to a planet with little or no resources left and no where to live. I am not religious at all and I believe mankind will in a short time have run it's course as an inhabitant of the planet and as the planet heals it's self and erases any traces of man, new species will emerge and adapt as dominant. We are just a rather brief and somewhat unsuccessful experment in the earths laboratory.

What do you mean?

[macguy]

Originally Posted by MHarrington

What do you mean?

Seems clear, what didn't you understand?

[Arrgh]

Originally Posted by killaloe

All kidding aside I can't imagine this NOT affecting property prices in the next few years. With all due respect to MacGuy, it is arrogance to underestimate this. The science behind this is now universally accepted as very solid...it's not a bunch of weather guys taking their best shot :-)

Ugh ...just one more thing to be concerned about in moving....

Sorry but the science behind Algor is NOT universally accepted. The only problem is that if you do not agree with them, the left then will crucify you. No media exposure other than being portrayed as a quack, the universities will tar and feather any dissenter and grant money will disappear.

First it was acid rain, then the rain forests in S America, then global cooling and the dawn of another ice age, now it is global warming. Is ALgor so arrogant that he believes mankind can alter global weather patterns?? Are his hand picked scientists that smart???? If so how come the haven't cured the common cold????

Does anyone know where the great lakes are??? Do you know how they got there?? It was the last Ice age, the same ice that carved out the Hudson River, L I Sound and other places. That ice is gone now, the Earth warmed up in a natural cycle. The real question to ask is... How many SUV's were there 10,000 years ago to cause all that ice to melt??

Algor, an inconvenient self apponted high priest of global warming, the same guy who invented the internet and upon whose romance with Tipper was the inspiration for Love Story. Someone should get the net for this loon.

[crystalblue]

the biggest problem, in my opinion, is that one its proven that it is happening, and they get some kinda timeline, insurance companies will start to pull out.

when that happens, the whole state is boned...

[MHarrington]

Originally Posted by macguy

Seems clear, what didn't you understand?

I mean how does global warming pale in comparison? Are you saying that people will soon be eradicated from the earth?