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Old 08-13-2018, 06:58 PM
 
Location: North West Arkansas (zone 6b)
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Something to consider for those that use soy products. A roundup ready soybean plant was developed that has been genetically modified to be resistant to herbicides, and can live through being saturated with roundup yet not die while the weeds perish. Unless organic, most of our soybeans are roundup ready.

Knowing that plants absorb things through their leaves, and every part of the plant means that the plant would transport the roundup throughout itself, even to the soybeans themselves. It just doesn't kill it. This is how it kills non roundup ready plants as it goes to the roots. But does the herbicide become part of the food after being absorbed by the plant? What does that possibly do to us when we eat those soybeans? Are we being slowly poisoned, although the company says it is "harmless"?

"Nevertheless, there are concerns about how much glyphosate we might be eating. Some crops have been genetically modified to be tolerant to glyphosate and therefore are sprayed to eliminate weeds growing in their midst. “And because of that, these crops . . . accumulate glyphosate in very high concentrations inside the plants,” Félix Carvalho, a toxicologist from Portugal’s University of Porto and secretary general of the European toxicologist organization Eurotox, writes to The Scientist in an email. “There is evidence that we are being exposed to increasing doses of glyphosate and other compounds of the herbicide formulation over the years. Such exposure is potentially deleterious.”

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...-roundup-30308
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Not long after round up ready products became available, natural selection brought on weeds that were resistant to round up, so some chemical company (prob monsanto) came up with dicamba which was shown to drift in runoff water and kill neighboring crops.

I always worry, when I see planes spraying stuff, because that's how you would apply round up on larger round up ready fields.
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:17 PM
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Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Not long after round up ready products became available, natural selection brought on weeds that were resistant to round up, so some chemical company (prob monsanto) came up with dicamba which was shown to drift in runoff water and kill neighboring crops.

I always worry, when I see planes spraying stuff, because that's how you would apply round up on larger round up ready fields.
That was pretty much how I grew up - there were planes spraying DDT over everything and Fogger Trucks that drove through residential neighborhoods spraying insecticide and God knows what else.

Kids used to run after the trucks, and get the stuff all over themselves. They acted like it was the ice cream man.

Other things work with weeds. The mixture I suggested really works well. My thought is that I have had enough exposure to pesticides, and weed killers in my life. Why not play it safe?
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:42 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Not long after round up ready products became available, natural selection brought on weeds that were resistant to round up, so some chemical company (prob monsanto) came up with dicamba which was shown to drift in runoff water and kill neighboring crops.
dicamba was around before roundup/glyphosate was ever invented.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:36 PM
 
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dicamba was around before roundup/glyphosate was ever invented.
Yup, I used Banvel in the 70's.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:45 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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dicamba was around before roundup/glyphosate was ever invented.
That doesn't make it any safer.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:12 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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A number of years ago in an allergy forum tolerance to allergies was explained like this. (And this can be transposed to toxin buildup as well, imho) Many people can develop allergies at any time of their lives to things they were able to tolerate at one time. Our bodies are like a bucket that slowly fills up with water one drop at a time. Some bodies are better able to filter out, and remove toxins/allergens than others. But sooner, or later that bucket can fill up, and overflow. I know this is over simplified, but you get the general idea.

Remember that some toxins are fat soluble, and are stored in our body fat where they build up over time, and reach "critical mass", to borrow a term from nuclear chain reactions. Or a really dirty kitty litter box, lol.

Also, there are more health problems out there that could be negatively impacted by these toxins in addition to cancer that we haven't realized yet. Our bodies are infinitely complex. Add things into our systems that weren't meant to be there, ever, creates a domino effect of problems that we don't really understand. We aren't that intelligent.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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That doesn't make it any safer.
No it certainly doesnt and isnt even an arguement on this horrible stuff... its being taken off the shelves in the UK as far as Ive read.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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That doesn't make it any safer.
No it certainly doesnt and isnt even an arguement on this horrible stuff... its being taken off the shelves in the UK as far as Ive read. what makes me angry is the government always need proof.. before they make a move.... do they make so much money from selling stuff that can kill us........ surely they have scientists who know exactly whats in this toxic dangerous stuff.. and should never ever been on shelves.

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Old 08-14-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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He was exposed to Roundup a lot but not "almost every day for many years."

Some quotes I have seen:
Given the guys job, I would suspect he was exposed to all kinds of chemicals in addition to round-up.

Not to mention that it's not the companies fault that he got literally bathed in the stuff by applying it in high winds and equipment failures.

It's also not going to be that hard to pack a jury in San Francisco with people that have strong "organic" leanings etc.

All that said, maybe it does cause cancer but I'm familiar enough with lawsuits and so forth that until I see a really solid study with essentially conclusive proof I'm going to be a little dubious.

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Old 08-14-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Fortunately, glyphosate is not as toxic as table salt, and breaks down rather than being eternal like salt.
You said it Larry. There was a reason why invading armies in the Old Testament day’s would sow their enemies fields with salt. Once that was done, they could kiss any chance of growing a crop goodbye.
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