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Thank you for your detailed response. So the people posting here about how their DNA test broke down their background to X % north European, Z % E Asian, W % Near Eastern, etc. got an autosomal test? And yes, you're right, we only tested the Y line, because all the non-DNA evidence I've turned up through extensive research tells us our likelihood of having some of the N haplogroup in our background (like Balts and Estonians, who have a high percentage of N among the R1b or R1a) was high. The male line. But all we got from the test was R1b M-269, or something (I don't have it with me at the moment). Generic West European, basically. But I may take your suggestion to join a discussion group, to see if I can get more info. Do they usually have an administrator/researcher participating in those?
I'm overwhelmed already. I can digest the first line in your first of the last two posts here. The Family Finder test (do you know how much those cost?) will give me more HG's? "Ancestral branches" of what, the Y line? Could you explain that a bit more?
Well, see, I'm told we're not W European, we're actually Balts, but the results so far don't indicate that. Unless there's more to the story, which is what I need to figure out how to get--the rest of the story. I'll look for the surname forum (having only a few months ago found out that the original surname was spelled differently than what it is now), and see what turns up. Should be interesting, no matter what happens.
Thanks for your patience.
It can all be very confusing... so here's a couple pics of where I checked if any of my Y DNA matches have terminal SNPS (I've blacked out their names, hence the black box)
Keep in mind M269 is about 13,000 years old... so it represents a lot of different people in a lot of different places, it can be found in Baltic regions too. You'll really need to dig down to a more specific sub-group to get more info. Here's some general info on the R1b tree (in which M269 is a sub-group of)
It can all be very confusing... so here's a couple pics of where I checked if any of my Y DNA matches have terminal SNPS (I've blacked out their names, hence the black box)
Keep in mind M269 is about 13,000 years old... so it represents a lot of different people in a lot of different places, it can be found in Baltic regions too. You'll really need to dig down to a more specific sub-group to get more info. Here's some general info on the R1b tree (in which M269 is a sub-group of)
Thanks. IDK, but I'm wondering if what I need is to order an autosomal test. I guess the R1b conclusion doesn't eliminate the possibility of Balt ancestry, it just doesn't indicate a strong possibility of it. R1b is only at 5-10% in the Balt region, according to one of the maps.
BTW. what does it mean, "predicted" haplotype? Why is it only predicted, not confirmed? And I'm not allowed into the surname groups/forums. They say I have to have an exact match. Which I'm told means I have to order another test. It seems that for anything I want to do, I have to order a test. This is starting to look like a racket; pay for another product in order to do anything on the site. But I don't care about family trees and matches with other people; that's not why I arranged for the testing. Maybe I need to go to a different company? Or order an autosomal test?
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Thanks. IDK, but I'm wondering if what I need is to order an autosomal test. I guess the R1b conclusion doesn't eliminate the possibility of Balt ancestry, it just doesn't indicate a strong possibility of it. R1b is only at 5-10% in the Balt region, according to one of the maps.
BTW. what does it mean, "predicted" haplotype? Why is it only predicted, not confirmed? And I'm not allowed into the surname groups/forums. They say I have to have an exact match. Which I'm told means I have to order another test. It seems that for anything I want to do, I have to order a test. This is starting to look like a racket; pay for another product in order to do anything on the site. But I don't care about family trees and matches with other people; that's not why I arranged for the testing. Maybe I need to go to a different company? Or order an autosomal test?
Y DNA test is the correct one... autosomal will give you an idea of all your ancestry which means you can't use it to make any conclusions about just your paternal line (though the autosomal test is useful if you want to see that full picture).
Hmm, they won't let you join the surname group? Did you try to join the surname of your cousin with his kit? That seems very odd and definitely not normal if they are doing that. Usually surname groups will accept you as long as your surname matches (or if you match DNA wise but don't match the surname).
Y DNA test is the correct one... autosomal will give you an idea of all your ancestry which means you can't use it to make any conclusions about just your paternal line (though the autosomal test is useful if you want to see that full picture).
Hmm, they won't let you join the surname group? Did you try to join the surname of your cousin with his kit? That seems very odd and definitely not normal if they are doing that. Usually surname groups will accept you as long as your surname matches (or if you match DNA wise but don't match the surname).
My cuz has the same surname as I do, and yes, I tried, but idk, I'll explore around the site and try again. I did get linked to a certain Polish ancestry forum/project, because so many of "us" ended up in Poland, historically, but we're not Polish, so that's not helpful. Are you able to find an email address for an administrator/researcher? Thx for your feedback so far, and re: the Y-DNA test choice, especially. At least I did that much right.
Hmm, they won't let you join the surname group? Did you try to join the surname of your cousin with his kit? That seems very odd and definitely not normal if they are doing that. Usually surname groups will accept you as long as your surname matches (or if you match DNA wise but don't match the surname).
Update: when I look at their surname list, we're not on it. But when I do a search for the surname with their search engine, I get a notice saying I need to have taken a certain test. I found an admin's email address, but it didn't work, maybe it was an old address. I log on using my cousin's test kit # and his password, of course, but that doesn't help me.
The Balt ancestry is through the male line, though. So I had a male cousin send in his sample.
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A Y-DNA SNP test determines your Y-DNA haplogroup. Knowing how you connect to other people on the Y-tree can help narrow geographical origins and can potentially confirm specific genealogical connections.
Testing Y-DNA SNP markers places you further down the branch on the Y-DNA haplotree and assists us with scientific research on the Y-tree and for your haplogroup projects. The more people that test their SNPs, the more data points we have to further our understanding of human migration and history. More importantly to you is that SNPs may help in your genealogy and deep ancestry research.
ftdna will not tell you your finally terminal snp. there are a little lazy on that. They have me listed as L21 but further testing got me at L555 but i,m still listed as L21
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I'm overwhelmed already. I can digest the first line in your first of the last two posts here. The Family Finder test (do you know how much those cost?) will give me more HG's? "Ancestral branches" of what, the Y line? Could you explain that a bit more?
