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actually I really like Phoenix, Tucson, Santa Fe, Denver, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City. I just don't care for Missouri, Texas, kansas, Nebraska, Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, Arkansas, Indiana, Tennessee
Have you ever even been to Indiana? I only ask because it has more in common with Illinois and Ohio than any of those states you mentioned.
The Midwest does not necessarily refer to geography; many such states are in the eastern half of the country. Predominance of agriculture as the major land use, protestantism, and mostly European ethnicity are the determining characteristics. Some may want to add tornadoes as the major weather disaster.
You have no clue what you're talking about. States like WI and MI are close to 50% forested, the majority of land use is for recreation not agriculture. The dominant religion in the Great Lakes is Catholicism, the Plains is where you find all the Baptists and Evangelicals. And as for the majority being of European descent, that's true of every single region of the country.
I drove from Kansas City, KS to Wichita and then down to Oklahoma City and I think Kansas is one of the states people are most ignorant about. First of all, it is not flat, actually when you are driving on the Kansas turnpike, you can see cattle grazing on the hills, some of the views from the turnpike are quite surreal, especially when it is about to storm or there is a tornado warning. The skies are so wide and you can see storms forming like 40 miles away. Kansas is good example of what a Midwestern state is like, absolutely nothing to do with East or West
Cincinnati and Oklahoma City and their respective environs are both in the Midwest. This is because they are virtually indistinguishable in landscape, history, and culture. That is why they are classified as Midwestern.
Just kidding obviously. In fact I think that a lot of the misunderstanding of (and disparagement) af the Midwest is because it is a catchall for states between the East and the West.
There is definitely (as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread) a Midwest identity regardless of its inclusion of folks from the near-desert, pancake-flat Plains states with its irrigated mega-farms, The forested Lake country of Minnesota and Wisconsin, and the hilly, wooded, Ohio River area with its pocket farms and industrial legacy.
I have several times. Had friends who lived in Bonner Springs and other friends who lived in Lawrance. While not tabletop flat the whole way, there sure isn't much in elevation change or scenery. Flat and boring really.
Cincinnati and Oklahoma City and their respective environs are both in the Midwest. This is because they are virtually indistinguishable in landscape, history, and culture. That is why they are classified as Midwestern.
Just kidding obviously. In fact I think that a lot of the misunderstanding of (and disparagement) af the Midwest is because it is a catchall for states between the East and the West.
There is definitely (as evidenced by some of the posts in this thread) a Midwest identity regardless of its inclusion of folks from the near-desert, pancake-flat Plains states with its irrigated mega-farms, The forested Lake country of Minnesota and Wisconsin, and the hilly, wooded, Ohio River area with its pocket farms and industrial legacy.
Exactly. There is NO WAY Cincinnati or OKC are Midwestern. No way. Cincinnati is in the Upper South/Ohio Valley, while OKC is in the western South/Great Plains. I can understand Cincinnati, because it's in Ohio, but I don't see how people can think Oklahoma City is in the Midwest? Oklahoma is clearly a Southern state.
However, I do think Plains states (excluding Texas and Oklahoma) are Midwestern. Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and the Dakotas are clearly culturally and geographically Midwestern states. Plains and Midwest aren't exclusive. The Plains extend into Missouri and Minnesota as well.
^^ Agree on Oklahoma being a southern state. Cincinnati is part of Midwest because its in Ohio. You officially hit the south once you cross into Kentucky, Oklahoma, Arkansas etc., all of which border the Midwest.
The 12 Midwest states
Illinois
Ohio
Michigan
Indiana
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Missouri
Kansas
North Dakota
South Dakota
Iowa
Nebraska
I have a hard time calling Oklahoma "midwestern." It, along with much of Texas, have more of a western South/lower Plains vibe, IMO.
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