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Old 09-26-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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I think it's probably more the tribal police and prosecutors looking the other way or letting folks off with warnings they normally wouldn't get. I'm fairly certain if there were convictions the FBI or some other federal agency would have a record of it.
That has a lot to do with the keyword "convictions" and also the FBI wouldn't even start to get involved unless the crime was a felony.
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:15 AM
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It's my experience that in my region of the South (north GA), the overwhelming majority of the indigenous people here (black and white) have at least some Cherokee ancestry. Yet these same people know little to nothing about that aspect of their heritage. It's my impression that once intermarried, the Cherokee culture was sublimated.
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Old 09-26-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Here in New Mexico, most people are well aware of the stark differences between Navajos, Plains tribes and Puebloans as well as the more subtle differences between the Pueblo tribes (at least that there are differences even if they cannot define those differences beyond the fact that they come from different villages).

What New Mexican seem to be unaware of is that there are NAs in the northeast (New York, New England), and if they are aware of that, they assume they are mostly folk of European descent with a bit of indigenous blood 'playing Indian' which simply isn't true.

The rez is hard living for the most part, but there is nothing to stop NAs from getting an education and bettering themselves. I'm not ignoring the reality of racism and the struggle of climbing out of poverty, but the problems for kids on the rez are no longer systematic or institutional, but cultural. A far higher percentage of NA kids have programs to give them free rides to college than any other group in America. Their biggest obstacles are families coping with alcoholism and anti-intellectualism/poor self-esteem.

I live in a city (close to a multitude of reservations) with a large NA population mainly comprised of folks who have assimilated economically with the American mainstream without giving up their roots. Then there are the folks with "rez mentality".
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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Here in New Mexico, most people are well aware of the stark differences between Navajos, Plains tribes and Puebloans as well as the more subtle differences between the Pueblo tribes (at least that there are differences even if they cannot define those differences beyond the fact that they come from different villages).

What New Mexican seem to be unaware of is that there are NAs in the northeast (New York, New England), and if they are aware of that, they assume they are mostly folk of European descent with a bit of indigenous blood 'playing Indian' which simply isn't true.

The rez is hard living for the most part, but there is nothing to stop NAs from getting an education and bettering themselves. I'm not ignoring the reality of racism and the struggle of climbing out of poverty, but the problems for kids on the rez are no longer systematic or institutional, but cultural. A far higher percentage of NA kids have programs to give them free rides to college than any other group in America. Their biggest obstacles are families coping with alcoholism and anti-intellectualism/poor self-esteem.

I live in a city (close to a multitude of reservations) with a large NA population mainly comprised of folks who have assimilated economically with the American mainstream without giving up their roots. Then there are the folks with "rez mentality".
You are right. Just outside of Syracuse is the Onondaga Indian Nation. While they are a part of the Iroquois Confederation, they call themselves the Haudenosaunee(means "People of the Longhouse" in native language). Yes, they are legit and still some practice the language and customs of the tribe/group. Many of the children start off at the Nation school, then go to LaFayette for High School. You this with other tribes/groups in terms of schooling. Areas like Salamanca, Akron, Fort Covington and Wheatfield are similar in this regard too.

There are also "urban" Indians/Native Americans that live in Syracuse, Buffalo, Massena and some other cities in the state.

Here's an interesting article that talks about some of the struggles and history of some Native Americans in this part of the country: For the Iroquois, the only Native - 07.19.10 - SI Vault

Onondaga Nation - People of the Hills

Iroquois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New York Indian Tribes and Languages

Seneca Nation of Indians |

Oneida Indian Nation

Home - Cayuga Nation of New York

St. Regis Mohawk Tribe: Tribal History
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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That's interesting. Over here we only think of the SW desert when we think of American Indians, probably also because of Western movies. Indians living in the green woods of the Midwest or New England somehow don't fit into our image of Indians.
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Old 09-27-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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I think it's probably more the tribal police and prosecutors looking the other way or letting folks off with warnings they normally wouldn't get. I'm fairly certain if there were convictions the FBI or some other federal agency would have a record of it.
I'm honestly unsure how that stuff works. I don't know how the rules work within the reservation and whether they need to adhere to "our" rules outside of their reservations. But I'd be interested to know...
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Old 09-28-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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That's interesting. Over here we only think of the SW desert when we think of American Indians, probably also because of Western movies. Indians living in the green woods of the Midwest or New England somehow don't fit into our image of Indians.
Two films you may be interested in, Neuling. "Black Robe" and "Last of the Mohicans" These concern the Iroquois in Canada and New York in the first, and the Mohicans, an Algonquin tribe also in New York in the other.
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Old 09-28-2010, 01:02 PM
 
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That's interesting. Over here we only think of the SW desert when we think of American Indians, probably also because of Western movies. Indians living in the green woods of the Midwest or New England somehow don't fit into our image of Indians.
Then, you have the Native American owned casinos in NY like these: Enjoy yourself at Turning Stone Resort · Casino

Mohawk Casino

Niagara Falls Hotel USA Niagara Falls Casino USA Seneca Niagara Seneca Casino (http://www.senecaniagaracasino.com/index.cfm - broken link)

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Old 09-28-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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Then, you have the Native American owned casinos in NY like these: Enjoy yourself at Turning Stone Resort · Casino

Mohawk Casino

Niagara Falls Hotel USA Niagara Falls Casino USA Seneca Niagara Seneca Casino (http://www.senecaniagaracasino.com/index.cfm - broken link)

Seneca Allegany Hotel Allegany hotel Casino Seneca Casino Seneca Casino

Where has that Indian-casino connection come from? I never quite understood that
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Old 09-28-2010, 01:17 PM
 
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Where has that Indian-casino connection come from? I never quite understood that
I don't know and it is a very good question. I think it could have something to do with how quick money can come thorugh the native communities by way of gambling. This is only an assumption though.
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