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Old 02-14-2012, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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why isn't this a scandal?????

Because most American seem to think that the REAL scandal is that the poor and needy and disadvantaged get any help at all, instead of just being kicked when they're down, which is their own fault.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
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The people in this documentary wont be progressing very far, they are sleeping in tents if they are ill they are then in a ton of debt, the USA has violent ghettos which are basically slums with little hope of getting out, lower class progression doesn't look viable for a large percentage of Americas poorest to me.

Love Tracy Chapman BTW.
Right. Being poor in a very materialistic country must also be majorly demoralising, with no healthcare, costly tuition and no end of "haves" willing to kick you while you're already down. It's victim blaming at its finest. I mean, try having any motivation to even wake up every day when you're born in the ghetto. There are the rags to riches tales, but it still largely depends where you're born and who your parents are and although this applies to the US, it applies to western society in general where so many poor people are disenfranchised and cut off from mainstream society.

Tracy Chapman is indeed brilliant!
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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It should be considered a national shame by Americans that such an underclass that is steadily growing is allowed to function with such immunity.
The fact that there is a very wide difference(huge) between the disparity of wealth between the top and bottom is tolerable suggests a very unfair minded society.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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I call B.S., hokum, and bunkum.
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Old 02-14-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Will love to have a look at it when i get home, I did see a British documentry/news story about their poor on the ABC hear not long ago , it might have being a panorama production as well? it will be interesting to see how the two compare.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:03 PM
 
Location: FL
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So during this elction year who will lead out of this hell hole we're in as a nation? Certainly not a socialist because that is clearly not working and benefits are used for those who know how to "work" the system.

Poor poor Detroit, where I lived for 32years of my life.

This story is why one needs a good education.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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Nor one suspects the Republicans where social disadvantage will become further entrenched.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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So during this elction year who will lead out of this hell hole we're in as a nation? Certainly not a socialist because that is clearly not working and benefits are used for those who know how to "work" the system.

Poor poor Detroit, where I lived for 32years of my life.

This story is why one needs a good education.
^^^

People, if you don't feel like perusing the political forum, this is a classic and almost textbook example of what I mentioned earlier in the thread.

If ignorance is bliss, there must be a lot of blissful people in America.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:04 PM
 
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Wonder why the finger is so often pointed at the poor for working the system yet the ones who do the real damage, the bankers,inept government and questionable business practices are overlooked.
They being of course the ones that really know how to work the system.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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Wonder why the finger is so often pointed at the poor for working the system yet the ones who do the real damage, the bankers,inept government and questionable business practices are overlooked.
They being of course the ones that really know how to work the system.
Because it's always easier to pick on the less fortunate and scapegoat and stereotype them, especially when economic times are tough and the need for scapegoats increases. People associate wealth with success and hard work too readily and white collar crime is not even as looked down upon as someone claiming unemployment or food stamps.

The crooked bankers, politicians and Medicare fraudsters don't seem to be as looked down upon. I don't see dozens of posts in the politics forum calling for THEIR heads, but countless posts implying how awful the poor are.

In America in particular, you are also up against the "I did it, so can you and if you don't, you're a failure" mentality. The country was clearly founded on admirable principles that everyone could make it no matter what social class you came from, but now the scale tipped too far towards the "everyone can make it and if they don't, it's their fault" side.

The irony is that Britain and the US are roughly about as bad when it comes to social mobility, only one country (the US) was supposed to be all about opportunity for all, regardless of whether one kid was educated at Eton then Oxford, while one kid grew up on a council estate in Wolverhampton.
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