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i can't help but see buffalo and rochester as being more like chicago than new york city. The buildings, the lakeside industrial sites, the sensabilities even the accents seem more midwestern....but some of the smaller towns in the area (ie -oswego, corning) have more of a northeastern/new england-charm vibe...so whats up with this region of the country?
I think you're right. The accents are especially more mid-western than north-eastern. From living in Rochester for a lot of years, I always felt more connected to Cleveland and the other rust belt cities than Philly, NYC or Boston. It's probably because they're cities that have more in common with Rochester. There's a lot of blue collar work, since all of them had/have a strong manufacturing presence. I will say that one consistency with Western NY and the Northeast is the food though.
I'm not sure about the smaller cities. I don't think I spent enough time in any of them to say they felt Northeastern or Mid-Western. Maybe it's the large manufacturing base in the larger cities that throws off Western NY's feel, whereas, the smaller cities don't experience it that much.
They probably have more in common with the Midwest simply because Upstate New York in the west part is in the Great Lakes region. I'd also argue for Western Pennsylvania being the Midwest. Erie and Pittsburgh are definitely Midwestern to me.
Western New York is defently Northeastern. The Midwest doesn't start until Michigan.
Maybe I misunderstood your reply, but we're speaking in terms of accents, culture, city-feel, etc. I took your post as physical boundary, as opposed to cultural attributes. Is that how you meant it?
Years ago, I read an article on the midwest that included those parts of NY state. However, I think most New Yorkers see themselves as easterners. I think they tend to "look" east. I was once married to a guy from the Rochester area; that was his feeling.
People from Buffalo, Rochester, Cleveland and Milwaukee call me "Taaaam" instead of "Tom". I'd say the accent of upstate NY is more similar to that of the Midwest than that of the North East.
Western New York is defently Northeastern. The Midwest doesn't start until Michigan.
Incorrect. The Midwest officially starts at Ohio, and ends at the western borders of Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota and at the latitudes the Ohio River is at (extending across an area of roughly U.S. 60 across Missouri). While it's official eastern boundaries are the Michigan/Canada border and the Ohio/Pennsylvania Ohio/West Virginia border...it extends slightly east of these boundaries (in the United States.) Western Pennsylvania and Western New York are more Midwestern than they are Northeastern. Western New York and Northwestern Pennsylvania resemble Northeastern Ohio I'd say more than the Northeast given it is part of the Great Lakes region. these cities seem more Midwestern in attitude, culture, and even speech-pattern-wise they resemble the Upper Midwest more than the Northeast. Geographically, Pennsylvania and New York are located entirely in the Northeast. Culturally they are not as a whole state. Another Midwestern characteristic to Western New York and Northwestern Pennsylvania was that they experienced the Rustbelt full force.
i can't help but see buffalo and rochester as being more like chicago than new york city.
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