What is the true Divide Line between the North and the South? (manufacturing, rated)
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Missouri, below Springfield, is still in the South. Most of Kentucky, and southern Virginia are in the South, as well as eastern Oklahoma and most of Texas, rounding out the western border of the South. The Florida panhandle is in the South. Maryland, Deleware, Ohio, Illinois, ect., are not in the South. I can't believe anyone would even suggest Deleware. Does Joe Biden strike you as a Southerner?
A good chunk of Illinois is Baptist, as are parts of Southern Indiana, but in any case, religion by itself is not what determines North vs. South. Catholics exist in great concentrations in Texas, Louisiana, and Florida. In any case, I mostly agree with what you are saying, but the Bible Belt does extend into the Lower Midwest. The parts of Southern Indiana near Louisville are pretty definitively Southern. Less than 25% of Missouri is definitively southern...and what is is pretty sparsely populated.
As far as in Ohio, Cincinnati is pretty solidly Midwestern. That whole part of Kentucky jutting up into the Cincy area is more like Ohio than Kentucky.
Most of the Catholics in FL moved there from the NE, Midwest and Cuba. As late as the 70s, the Diocese of Miami covered the whole state!
St Louis is Midwestern.
6th generation native here.
There are a very few southern influences, culturally speaking, but by and large, its Midwestern.
The only thing St Louis and Memphis have in common is the Mississippi and a tradition of great blues.
There are some architectural similarities between the 2 cities. In fact, you'll see similar 19th century architecture all along the river, from NOLA to St. Paul.
There are some architectural similarities between the 2 cities. In fact, you'll see similar 19th century architecture all along the river, from NOLA to St. Paul.
As far as 19th century, everyone followed the architectural books of the day as far as commercial building plans, so thats not unusual.
However, there are HUGE differences between residential architecture between the 2 cities in the 19th century.
As far as 19th century, everyone followed the architectural books of the day as far as commercial building plans, so thats not unusual.
However, there are HUGE differences between residential architecture between the 2 cities in the 19th century.
I was referring to 19th century French architectural influence. It spread from NOLA up the Mississippi Valley.
Its impossible to make a definitive hard line. My opinion is that south of Fredericksburg and Charlottesville in VA still have enough characteristics to be considered southern, but Richmond has been challenging this thought for years and is itself somewhat of a transition zone. Everything north of Charleston in WV has enough characteristics to pass as NOT being southern, but Charleston, like Richmond, is kinda blurring its "southerness" as well. I believe the entire state of Kentucky to be southern except for metro Louisville, and although there is southern culture there, it compares more to Cincy and Indy moreso than Memphis and Birmingham. The southeastern portion of Mizzou, in the Mississippi Valley, is most definitely southern, but going west I'm not sure. Going north, you are certqinly out of the South by the time you reach St. Louis, although they also have a somewhat blurry southern/midwestern culture...
The point in my post is that it is difficult to say whats South the farther north you go. To some people, Richmond, Charleston, Louisville and St. Louis areas are all southern, to some they all are not, and to others they are exactly what they are: regional transition zones. I understand the point of this thread, but it is enormously difficult to create a modern day North/South dividing line...
STL was founded 50 years before NOLA by the French.
No "spreading" needed.
St. Louis was founded in 1764. New Orleans in 1718.
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