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Old 07-11-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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Urbanized Area, but it isn't perfect either. L.A.'s true size is closer to 15 million. MSA and UA undersell its size, CSA oversells it.

The Bay Area ring, which is really one urban area, is around 5 million people. No measurement (UA, MSA, CSA) is 100% accurate for that city, to point where it doesn't crack the top 10 among largest MSAs, which is silly.

Looking at the numbers, DC and Dallas receive the largest bump from UA to MSA. Miami gets almost no bump.
San Francisco CSA is actually over 8 million, see Wikipedia.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Though to look at density I think weighted density is probably a better measure. This excludes non inhabited areas like parks, airports, mountians etc.

The 50 densest American metropolitan areas, by weighted density - Austin Contrarian

I think there is one calculated for UA as well

UA to me is probably the best barometer for size as it measures a form of continuity excluding exurban areas or detached areas.

None are pefect but UA is probably the best size metric
I agree. Standard density does make Philadelphia seem lower than it actually is.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Though to look at density I think weighted density is probably a better measure. This excludes non inhabited areas like parks, airports, mountians etc.

The 50 densest American metropolitan areas, by weighted density - Austin Contrarian

I think there is one calculated for UA as well

UA to me is probably the best barometer for size as it measures a form of continuity excluding exurban areas or detached areas.

None are pefect but UA is probably the best size metric
Atlanta didnt make the top 50? Wow.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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San Francisco CSA is actually over 8 million, see Wikipedia.
The number the poster quoted wasn't for the CSA.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: The City
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This is some additional info

Note the differences in density between NYC and LA radiating from the core - NYC (not surprisingly is far more compact out to about 15 miles from their centers (for this is city hall)



America's Truly Densest Metros - Richard Florida - The Atlantic Cities
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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MSA.

CSA is too large and outside of a few cases like Raleigh/Durham I cringe when people use it. Urbanized area is good for determining how big a city feels but not as accurate in determining the economic importance of a metro area. People living in exurban areas, usually not counted in urbanized areas, contribute to the economy of a MSA as well.
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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MSA.

CSA is too large and outside of a few cases like Raleigh/Durham I cringe when people use it.
It's very appropriate for certain cities like Philadelphia and San Francisco but for others not so much.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: PNW
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Here is the UA weighted density calculations

ranked from most dense to least dense:


Density calculations for U.S. urbanized areas, weighted by census tract - Austin Contrarian


And yes Atlanata is notably low on both standard and weighted density
This Data is so old i can't take it seriously. All these cities urban populations have increased significantly ly in the past 15 years. But with that I may have been wrong on my stats. But my point was if the the Urban area is Seattle is High density while the Metro or CSA it drops off significantly.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The City
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This Data is so old i can't take it seriously. All these cities urban populations have increased significantly ly in the past 15 years. But with that I may have been wrong on my stats. But my point was if the the Urban area is Seattle is High density while the Metro or CSA it drops off significantly.

This is 2010 data
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Franklin, TN
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I don't think there is any one single measure that is good for determining/ranking city 'size'. Aside from official population metrics, things like media market, GDP, size of transportation hub, services & amenities, etc are also important.

I feel like population density, whether it be from urban area, metro area, city, county, or whatnot, can be misleading.
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