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This one is merely a flight of fantasy, nothing more. Merely a game of "let's pretend". No right or wrong answers here.....just go wherever your imagination and gut take you.
So let's start pretending:
A decision was made by the American people that with all the acrimony and divide and the fact that we're at each others' throats we were no longer able to function as one nation and decided to split into two. No, it wouldn't be North and South as it was during the Civil War era. This time the split would come based on "tribes".
So in most simplistic terms, those two "tribes" would be Liberals/Left and Conservatives/Right (based on however you conceptualize those two groups). The Liberals/Left would obviously be the new "Bluemerica" and just obviously the Conservatives/Right would be "Redmerica". (sorry...no fudging....there can't and won't be a Purplmerica)
As part of the separation plan, it was instituted that neither nation would have to be made of any contiguous regions (just like in today's US, the lower 48, Alaska, and Hawaii are not attached).
Your job, if you so choose to take it, would be to the hard work of actually dividing the nation in two. What areas would you put in Bluemerica and which in Redmerica. Obviously any state can be divided or kept as one if you so choose. And since you are making a formal proposal here to the Unconstituting the Nation Convention, feel free to give reasons for your choices.
Get as creative as you like. For example, since your new nations with require different states than what are presently constructed, what would be the new states in each nation....their area and what you name them.
And if you actually want to map it and post that here, more's the better.
God if only this could happen I would be ecstatic. Hopefully we are well on are way to this happening as I can't stomach living with this current setup.
You can look to the Bahamas as an example of such a government (0% Corporate taxes).
Bahamas is probably a bad example because it no doubts struggles to get employers to locate there due to it being an small island nation. I think the 0 percent tax indicates that.
Here is New York Times map of SC's election results by county. Note Hillary won several rural counties, and urban counties that she won like Richland where Columbia is have a ton of poor people. I guarantee you Trump received very few votes in the poor areas of Richland and CHarleston counties.
Trump won the more affluent and populated counties of Greenville, Lexington (near Columbia), York (near Charlotte), Horry (Mrytle Beach), Aiken, Beaufort (Hilton Head).
Marion County is easily one of the most depressed counties in SC, HIllary received 60 percent of the votes and won by 22 points.
Stop using your little state to extrapolate to the whole country. I also like how you keep using 2016 and not one other election year. Counties in PA that voted for Trump in 2016 voted for Obama twice in 2008 and 2014. Hillary was disliked hugely, and a decent Dem candidate would have wiped Trump out in PA. Just wait till 2020. We certainly ain't SC.
You haven't provided any evidence that a significant majority of drug addicts voted for Trump in Tenn or any other state. It looks like speculation. How could you possibily know who drug addicts voted for or if they voted at all? You stated that they don't self identify, yet you know how they voted?
What percentage of the population in a rural county in TN do you estimate is a drug addict?
It looks like the best he did in a county was around 85, and he was more often in the 70s. So using the county where he got 85 percent, how do you know the majority of the drug addicts are in the 85 percent that he got?
We know that Trump didn't win every white rural vote, and he didn't win every non college educated white person's vote. So it seems like you have to look examine what issues drug addicts care about. Focusing on rural and white doesn't tell you anything.
It seems like a drug addict would be mostly concerned about drug supply and welfare. I don't see how either of those concerns makes a drug addict a natural Trump supporter, given Trump wants to build a wall and stop the drug flow into the country, and the Democratic party supports more government spending.
THe Democratic party in general depicts Republican pols as heartless fat cats who want to screw over the poor so it is hard to see a poor drug addict on welfare being a reliable Trump voter.
You also said something upthread about how Confederate flag wavers are natural Trump supporters. I don't see any evidence of that either. Trump never talked up the Confederate flag while running. He's from NYC. I don't recall the Confederate statues thing becoming an issue until after he won.
There is polling data that indicates Trump won majority of college educated white people but nobody points that out on this forum.
I have no clue what percentage of the population has illegal substance abuse problems. Judging from people I know personally, I'd ballpark 5%-10% of the population are so debilitated by it that they cannot reliably work, have major legal issues, etc. We're not talking about someone who got tagged while going home high or drunk and got a DUI, but major distribution charges, repeat offenders, constantly violating probation, etc.
I don't know how to get through to you. Sure, Trump didn't win every rural white vote in Tennessee, but he won vast majorities of all votes in most rural counties. The more rural the county (places like Hancock, Grainger are very rural...and have very bad drug problems), the whiter you get, the more drug problems you get, the higher the % of Trump support generally.
These things correlate. They're not entirely causal. It's not "my drug abuse caused me to vote for Donald Trump." Billy Bob on the hill in a trailer passed out on opoids isn't going to identify as an opoid user. But the Second Amendment may be very important to him. So may "family values." Many rural people in Tennessee identify with the values Trump said he believed in. Drug problems are more prevalent in rural areas here than urban and suburban ones. Naturally there's going to be some overlap.
Stop using your little state to extrapolate to the whole country. I also like how you keep using 2016 and not one other election year. Counties in PA that voted for Trump in 2016 voted for Obama twice in 2008 and 2014. Hillary was disliked hugely, and a decent Dem candidate would have wiped Trump out in PA. Just wait till 2020. We certainly ain't SC.
So you are saying in the poor inner city of Philly and Pittsburgh, Republicans do well with voters?
I recall in 2000, there were some wards in inner Philly that did not have a single Republican vote, and some people thought there must have been voter fraud.
I understand that there are countries that switched from Obama to Trump. I think I may have made that point previously. That is why it is confusing when you see people say Trump locked up racist vote, and drug addict vote, given he was able to get some former Obama voters.
A conservative government would not be anarchy. You don't seem to understand what the word anarchy means.
You don't seem to understand anything. You just claimed that the far-right state of Kansas is actually controlled by "fake Republicans" and insinuated it's actually corrupted by liberals.
You want to live free from regulation. In it's purest form; that's anarchy.
There's no such thing as a "completely liberal" or "completely conservative" government. Just like there is really no such thing as "blueamerica" or "redamerica".
The examples and insinuations you post imply a very childish train of thought and lead me to believe you haven't spent much time as a grown up in the real world yet.
Sometimes its great to think conceptually and abstractly...sometimes it makes people look naive and out of touch
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