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You were the one saying Northern Conn didn’t feel like suburban Boston, as if you couldn’t imagine it being an entity of its own. You seem very into the idea of cities possessing territory. Cities have regional influence but it’s going too far to say North Jersey is “completely New York.” North Jersey is completely New Jersey. Princeton— I could be wrong but seems to me that Princeton Univ and the huge research & industrial presence around there give the Mercer Co area weight of its own. Cherry Hill— suburban Philadelphia for sure, but Princeton is more it’s own thing in-between New York and Phila, borrowing from both but not belonging to either.
I’ve read that Ben Franklin called New Jersey a “keg tapped at both ends,” so your claims have some historic credibility. But that was a long time ago.
Would you say San Jose was “completely San Francisco” or that Anaheim was “completely LA?” I think people in these places would disagree.
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Originally Posted by geographybee
No, you are wrong! North Jersey is completely New York just as much as the other suburban areas of New York are. It gives Mercer county its own identity, but that does not mean it is not New York. Also, Princeton is solidly New York. Trenton feels like a mix to me. People in Princeton and the immediate vicinity say they live in suburban New York.
People often assume Northern Connecticut is suburban Boston and southern Connecticut suburban New York. I was saying that Northern CT does not feel like suburban Boston to dispel that myth.
I also would say that San Jose is completely San Francisco and Anaheim is completely LA. They are more intertwined than you would imagine. People in the suburbs of both will say they are from SF or LA.
Maybe you are both right. Geographybee seems to be talking about officially. For instance, officially North Jersey is part of the New York metro area, as is the lower Hudson Valley, southeastern Connecticut and Long Island.
However Mission is also right, the reality is North Jersey is New Jersey. Its run by New Jersey, not New York. Also if North Jersey and also other places being mentioned like Princeton/Mercer County, San Jose and Anaheim are anything like Long Island - not everyone lives and breathes NYC (or San Fran or LA) everyday. Some people rarely go to the city, some people never go there. Even when I was a kid and then young adult living in Queens, part of NYC, there were many adults I knew who rarely stepped foot in Manhattan. They were missing out on a lot I guess but it was simply not necessary for them.
I grew up much of my life in Connecticut. I honestly can say I've never heard Connecticut referred to as "northern" vs "southern" when discerning the differences one region to the other. It always has been western vs eastern. Often times vaguely regarded as Fairfield County as opposed to eastern (sometimes southeastern) CT, with New Haven and Hartford representing the dividing line as to what is considered more New Yorkish vs New Englandish.
Really! That's interesting. I have always heard CT referred to as Northern and Southern. I have basically never heard Eastern vs western, although I definitely think that makes sense. Fairfield County and New Haven County are New York-centric, and the rest of the state is New England/Hartford/Boston-centric.
Really! That's interesting. I have always heard CT referred to as Northern and Southern. I have basically never heard Eastern vs western, although I definitely think that makes sense. Fairfield County and New Haven County are New York-centric, and the rest of the state is New England/Hartford/Boston-centric.
If they build their $55 billion bridge/tunnel from Long Island to Bridgeport CT it would be even more built into NY in Southwest Connecticut.
Really! That's interesting. I have always heard CT referred to as Northern and Southern. I have basically never heard Eastern vs western, although I definitely think that makes sense. Fairfield County and New Haven County are New York-centric, and the rest of the state is New England/Hartford/Boston-centric.
Hartford is more New York-centric than Boston-centric. There's continuous urbanization from Hartford to NYC. In contrast, past Hartford there is nothing between Hartford and Boston.
Similarly, Eastern CT is more New York-centric. All those resort/tourist communities are more geared towards the NYC area than the Boston area (which has its own quaint touristy towns in proximity).
Come to think of it, practically all of CT is more New York-centric. VT and CT tend to be more New York-focused; the other New England states tend to be more Boston-focused.
Hartford is more New York-centric than Boston-centric. There's continuous urbanization from Hartford to NYC. In contrast, past Hartford there is nothing between Hartford and Boston.
Similarly, Eastern CT is more New York-centric. All those resort/tourist communities are more geared towards the NYC area than the Boston area (which has its own quaint touristy towns in proximity).
Come to think of it, practically all of CT is more New York-centric. VT and CT tend to be more New York-focused; the other New England states tend to be more Boston-focused.
That's an interesting point that makes a lot of sense now that I think of it. I actually think that is correct. The Eastern CT shore is geared towards New Yorkers. VT definitely seems to be heavily New York, but NH is definitely Boston-centric. You also see a lot of New Yorkers in Maine, but New Hampshire seems to be the "weak spot". Interestingly, you do not see too many New Yorkers in the Berkshires, byt the Catskills and Poconos are absolutely filled with them. There are definitely many Bostonians in the Berkshires and the rural read east of Albany in New York.
Really! That's interesting. I have always heard CT referred to as Northern and Southern. I have basically never heard Eastern vs western, although I definitely think that makes sense. Fairfield County and New Haven County are New York-centric, and the rest of the state is New England/Hartford/Boston-centric.
Yes the differences are more distinct than northern vs southern. If we're talking Fairfield County vs Danbury, no real distinction and still both NY suburbs; except of course Fairfield County caters to the very affluent. Eastern vs western, the New Englandish charm to rural towns and the coastline become more evident once you start to get east of New Haven. In terms of tourism, Mystic is more high geared to New Yorkers. But then there is Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun casinos, which is a pretty even split between New Yorkers and Bostonians.
Yes the differences are more distinct than northern vs southern. If we're talking Fairfield County vs Danbury, no real distinction and still both NY suburbs; except of course Fairfield County caters to the very affluent. Eastern vs western, the New Englandish charm to rural towns and the coastline become more evident once you start to get east of New Haven. In terms of tourism, Mystic is more high geared to New Yorkers. But then there is Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun casinos, which is a pretty even split between New Yorkers and Bostonians.
Yes, but Fairfield County is not entirely very affluent. There are many middle class communities in much of the county. I didn't even think of the casinos, but that makes sense. New Yorkers and Bostonians do seem to frequent both from my experience. Litchfiekd County's tourism is definitely New York geared, though. New Yorkers love Litchfiekd County as well as Eastern CT!
I think the fact that NYC regional public transit provides a direct connection + shares a station with Philly’s SEPTA at Trenton speaks volumes about the continuous development there. Especially considering how transit-poor this country typically is. And MARC going between Baltimore city and DC too although they are very close physically so it only makes sense.
Are there any other examples of this where local public transit connects with major cities in other regions?
The only example I know of is that between Los Angeles and San Diego. There, Metrolink (LA’s commuter rail) and Coaster (San Diego’s commuter rail) meet in Oceanside Transit Center in northern San Diego County. It’s a similar situation.
LA and San Diego have both put in a lot of work in their mass transit systems in the past two decades as far as US cities go. Still woefully inadequate and built at an absurd cost-effectiveness compared to cities in developed countries that are not the US, but increasingly usable.
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