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Oakland's crime is also crazy high. That would make it non-comparable by itself.
Oakland's crime rate is 686.9 and Montclair's is 113.1.
I'd tend to agree. Montclair is one of the few nice diverse NNJ suburbs that doesn't directly abut a 'rough" area/town (so far as I know). That's part of why it carries a different type of prestige compare to West/South Orange and Maplewood.
Only someone from Randolph would say it’s more maintained to an Stoughton...Westwood is still very conservative for MA .
Saying Malden is decently upperclass is borderline delusional though. Nothing upper class about Malden whatsoever. A few new apartment buildings (not impressive in anyway) near the train stop doesn’t make it upscale. They do that everywhere. Just because the city is decent-and not a basket case like many urban New England cities-doesn’t mean it’s upscale. It’s like 46%+ recently arrived immigrants. Then it’s townies and blacks people priced out of Boston, and then it’s yuppies. It’s just a nice city but as you said yourself us it doesn’t look upscale, certainly doesn’t feel upscale, and objectively it’s metrics aren’t upscale. It’s is wonderfully diverse especially in the sub-40 crowd. That’s for sure
Also you’re numbers are majorly off our outdated
Stoughton is a majority minority school district who tho 1/4th of the kids are black. See here https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5& Stoughton schools are 48.7% white and 24.7% black and 14.4% Latino. Stoughton High is 27% black.
Randolph doesn’t have a real whit wpopusltion INO. It’s virtually all old(we) people. And they’re dyin off and moving at an extreme clip I don’t even think estimates show. Whit epeople don’t use or touch the schools-Boston Public Schools are whiter.
Randolph public schools are literally 11% white 89% minority-that’s not Montclair/Maplewood-south Orange like at all. In fact I believe white percentages in the schools there have risen significantly since 2005-like Cambridge(although Cambridge, Mapso, Montclair schools are still majority non white).
Medford Brookline and Woburn would be in the conversation before Westwood. Lots of towns would be, are you sure you don’t have it confused with Norwood?
I don’t get this angle-I’m black I know not a one person who’s a minority who’s ever lived in Westwood. Not diverse. I really feel like you mean Norwood..
It’s Milton or Cambridge. In fact in Milton, a huge share of black children go to private school nowadays. The town is blacker than the schools. I lived in Milton for a while. It’s also not of no impractical is border tree of Boston’s blackest neighborhoods. Asian also has a small but noticeable Asian population.
Actually circa 2021 Stoughtons probably a little more diverse in its schools than Montclair. But Montclair is way more upscale with a much more diverse adult population.
Milton is right in line with Montclair. There were quite a few run-down properties in Randolph I could have chosen from. It's considered a suburban ghetto(ish) are in Eastern MA. ITs not actually ghetto but it carries a negative rep and does have more than its fair share of drug and gun crime. Malden has less of that. Randolph is unique in that in 2018 it had a higher median black household income (78k) than white (73k). The percpaita income for people born in Randolph is only 26k though... For people who moved to Randolph from another state its 46k. This means it probably has many of townies and people from originally Boston. Quite different than Montclair, I'd imagine.
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I'd tend to agree. Montclair is one of the few nice diverse NNJ suburbs that doesn't directly abut a 'rough" area/town (so far as I know). That's part of why it carries a different type of prestige compare to West/South Orange and Maplewood.
Those suburbs still have a similar prestige. Keep in mind that Montclair still touches Orange and East Orange to its south/SE.
I’d say that Teaneck and Piscataway, among some others, are also similar in NE/Central NJ.
Those suburbs still have a similar prestige. Keep in mind that Montclair still touches Orange and East Orange to its south/SE.
I’d say that Teaneck and Piscataway, among some others, are also similar in NE/Central NJ.
It barely barely touches a sliver of Orange. It does not touch East Orange. I also don't think Maplewood, Teaneck, Piscataway South Orange Carry the same prestige as Montclair-hence why this thread is named after Montclair and not MapSo (which share substantial borders with Newark, Irvington, Union and the Oranges). While they may be known in the state Montclair is more well known nationally (or at least throughout the northeast). I heard of Montclair long before I had ever been there.
It barely barely touches a sliver of Orange. It does not touch East Orange. I also don't think Maplewood, Teaneck, Piscataway South Orange Carry the same prestige as Montclair-hence why this thread is named after Montclair and not MapSo (which share substantial borders with Newark, Irvington, Union and the Oranges). While they may be known in the state Montclair is more well known nationally (or at least throughout the northeast). I heard of Montclair long before I had ever been there.
Even on the map, Montclair, Orange, East Orange and Glen Ridge meet at a point to Montclair’s SE, which is where much of its black population is concentrated.
Even on the map, Montclair, Orange, East Orange and Glen Ridge meet at a point to Montclair’s SE, which is where much of its black population is concentrated.
I'm not even sure East Orange actually touches Montclair. C'mon now that's just disingenuous.. Orange, yes. And it's a few blocks. Glen Ridge is its largest borer and is very wealthy. This is why Montclair is Montclair. Until I looked up Teaneck a few weeks ago I had no idea it was desirable. 'Moncler Montclair' is almost a brand unto itself. Teaneck may be similar but I don't think its nearly as identifiable or synonymous with diverse wealth. Seems lovely though as does Piscataway.
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Realistically the closest residence SE Montclair is a couple hundred yards from the NE part of East Orange, the only boundary they share is a Road that is a few feet of road that is fairly far from residential East Orange. I wouldn't call that an actual shared border, especially not when two other towns which you actually border meet at that point. But its all semantics I guess.
It barely barely touches a sliver of Orange. It does not touch East Orange. I also don't think Maplewood, Teaneck, Piscataway South Orange Carry the same prestige as Montclair-hence why this thread is named after Montclair and not MapSo (which share substantial borders with Newark, Irvington, Union and the Oranges). While they may be known in the state Montclair is more well known nationally (or at least throughout the northeast). I heard of Montclair long before I had ever been there.
Teaneck, Maplewood and South Orange would be the closest in terms of prestige but I agree, Montclair does stand above those 3 towns in this regard. Also the Teaneck demographics are quite different than the other towns mentioned as a large percentage of Teaneck is also conservative Jewish. Additionally Teaneck (Bergen), Piscataway - the furthest away (Middlesex) and Union (Union County) are not in the immediate cluster that the rest of the aforementioned towns are in. Nonetheless Montclair does stand out in the prestigious category here and it's always been home to celebs (Black and White) throughout the years.
I'm not even sure East Orange actually touches Montclair. C'mon now that's just disingenuous.. Orange, yes. And it's a few blocks. Glen Ridge is its largest borer and is very wealthy. This is why Montclair is Montclair. Until I looked up Teaneck a few weeks ago I had no idea it was desirable. 'Moncler Montclair' is almost a brand unto itself. Teaneck may be similar but I don't think its nearly as identifiable or synonymous with diverse wealth. Seems lovely though as does Piscataway.
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Realistically the closest residence SE Montclair is a couple hundred yards from the NE part of East Orange, the only boundary they share is a Road that is a few feet of road that is fairly far from residential East Orange. I wouldn't call that an actual shared border, especially not when two other towns which you actually border meet at that point. But its all semantics I guess.
Purely semantics. All of these towns (minus Teaneck, Pway and Union) are part of the same immediate area.
They were all originally the direct suburban/urban Essex county enclaves of Newark and still are in widely varying forms.
There are so few "Montclairs" out there that I would be very surprised if there were more than 3-4 remotely comparable cities. For those unfamiliar, Montclair is:
- A very diverse, yet (mostly) upscale suburb about 15 miles west of Manhattan
- It is one of the most liberal towns in the NYC area, if not the most liberal
- It has one of the most well-preserved, streetcar suburb housing stocks that you will find anywhere (you can go ahead and streetview it to get a feel for what I'm talking about)
- It has 3 separate "village centers" within town, and taken together Montclair has one of the best dining scenes in NJ, and likely the best of all of the NYC suburbs
- It also has an arts scene and it's own film festival
- Many of NY's media personalities live there (Stephen Colbert, for one)
- Schools are generally considered good-but-not-the-absolute-best; There is a top private school in town for those that don't want the public school option
Expect to pay $30K+ in property taxes on a $1M house
Most cities will not have anything that checks more than a handful of these boxes, which is exactly why it is so unique. I could imagine LA having one or two that check many of these same boxes (Santa Monica?), but am not familiar enough with that area to know for sure.
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