Southernmost southern city in the United States? (beaches, suburbs)
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I would think so -- but Hawaii is actually further south...
"Ka Lae, the southernmost point in the 50 states of the United States, is on Hawaii."
So, the closest city is Nā'ālehu. It is roughly the same latitude as Port-au-Prince, Haiti.
Farther south than Hanoi.
As you know, the OP was asking about cultural southern-ness, not geographical southern-ness. In any case, Nā'ālehu is not a city. It's a little village with fewer than 1,000 residents. The southernmost "real" town is Kailua-Kona (population just under 20,000); the southernmost city is Hilo (population about 44,000); and the southernmost major city is Honolulu (population about 343,000, though it feels bigger than that to me).
I'm sorry, I don't want to seem rude, but . . . no. Just no. Miami is not a culturally Southern city. At all.
South Florida as a whole is a very distinctive area. You can feel it even just by driving down I-95. The switchover takes place at the PGA Blvd. exit in Palm Beach Gardens. The area to the south of that exit feels very, very different from the area north of that exit. North of there is kind of Southern-ish, but I'm not sure if I'd label it as distinctly culturally Southern. I think you have to get north of the Treasure Coast to feel like you're truly in The South. Or maybe even north of the Space Coast.
I feel like Miami is the only city that gets this treatment, many cities are stark contrasts to its rural surroundings but aren't treated as if they aren't part of the region they occupy.
I feel like Miami is the only city that gets this treatment, many cities are stark contrasts to its rural surroundings but aren't treated as if they aren't part of the region they occupy.
If one were to ask me, "Name a city that feels distinctly different from other cities in its geographic region," Miami is the very first place I'd name. It simply does not share any significant cultural traits with any other major cities in the South (or the Southeast, geographically speaking). Compare it not to, say, Loxahatchee or Belle Glade (or other nearby rural areas), but to other major southeastern cities like Atlanta or Charlotte or Jacksonville or Raleigh or Nashville . . . heck, even compare it with Tampa. It doesn't feel like any of them.
If one were to ask me, "Name a city that feels distinctly different from other cities in its geographic region," Miami is the very first place I'd name. It simply does not share any significant cultural traits with any other major cities in the South (or the Southeast, geographically speaking). Compare it not to, say, Loxahatchee or Belle Glade (or other nearby rural areas), but to other major southeastern cities like Atlanta or Charlotte or Jacksonville or Raleigh or Nashville . . . heck, even compare it with Tampa. It doesn't feel like any of them.
Miami is extremely far from many southern cities.
Nashville is closer to Minneapolis than it is to Miami geographically.
Atlanta is equidistant from Miami as it is from northwest Ohio.
Charlotte is closer to NYC than to Miami
I agree with the main point that Miami is unique even compared to other Florida cities but I think it compares a lot closer to those other Florida cities than it does to someplace 900 miles away in the upper south, which logically it would..
I'm sorry, I don't want to seem rude, but . . . no. Just no. Miami is not a culturally Southern city. At all.
South Florida as a whole is a very distinctive area. You can feel it even just by driving down I-95. The switchover takes place at the PGA Blvd. exit in Palm Beach Gardens. The area to the south of that exit feels very, very different from the area north of that exit. North of there is kind of Southern-ish, but I'm not sure if I'd label it as distinctly culturally Southern. I think you have to get north of the Treasure Coast to feel like you're truly in The South. Or maybe even north of the Space Coast.
This is probably the best answer.
It would be different because you're entering a large metropolis. That's not different from anywhere else in the South and especially Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, and even New Orleans.
If one were to ask me, "Name a city that feels distinctly different from other cities in its geographic region," Miami is the very first place I'd name. It simply does not share any significant cultural traits with any other major cities in the South (or the Southeast, geographically speaking). Compare it not to, say, Loxahatchee or Belle Glade (or other nearby rural areas), but to other major southeastern cities like Atlanta or Charlotte or Jacksonville or Raleigh or Nashville . . . heck, even compare it with Tampa. It doesn't feel like any of them.
I agree with your first statement. New Orleans is very similar to me, being from south Louisiana is very different from the rest of the south, Arkansas, Georgia, the Carolinas all feel completely different to me personally.
If its not southern, it must be Latin American and have more ties with Latin America and the Caribbean for it not to be southern and that seems like a stretch.
This is a bunch of reaching. None of what you stated tells me that Fort Lauderdale culturally is the Northeast whatsoever. Different attitudes, different pace, different built environment, etc. You seem to harp on the South being just one giant blob of bible belt, country music, swamp pop (what is this?) stuck in the 1950s. Houston is arguably the most diverse religious city in the South. Is it no longer Southern? Also, there are places that serve fish and grits or shrimp and grits in South Florida. That sounds pretty Southern to me.
To be fair, you can dine on traditionally "southern" fare in Chicago and NYC at Carolina and Texas BBQ places, etc. Just because you can get shrimp and grits somewhere, it doesn't define the culture as Southern, just like being able to get take out Chinese in Birmingham doesn't make its culture Asian.
As you know, the OP was asking about cultural southern-ness, not geographical southern-ness. In any case, Nā'ālehu is not a city. It's a little village with fewer than 1,000 residents. The southernmost "real" town is Kailua-Kona (population just under 20,000); the southernmost city is Hilo (population about 44,000); and the southernmost major city is Honolulu (population about 343,000, though it feels bigger than that to me).
Having lived in Honolulu for 3.5 years, I agree that the city feels a lot bigger than it is. At least for me, I think a big part of that is because the entire island of Oahu--known officially as the City and County of Honolulu--is all run by one local government entity that meets in Honolulu. Thus, even when I'm technically out of Honolulu, I have a hard time separating the other parts of the island from the city.
Still, even Honolulu proper seems to be bigger than it is as everything is so condensed and packed together.
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