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Old 06-30-2023, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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It's basic Economics 101, most of the Lower Midwest/Upper South has been bypassed for a very long period of time as most of the larger-scale economic and population growth has gone to the Sunbelt, Mountain West, and Coasts. Missouri is not relevant at all in terms of population demographics, economics, median household income, and is unlikely to gain relevancy due to the national pattern of very low migration as very few people move anymore. Missouri has the northern elements of not being a Right To Work state, and the southern elements of having a large religious Southern Baptist population in all but a few of the larger metropolitan counties. It has the worst of all the weather elements, including insane levels of heat and humidity in the summer, and cold and wind in the winter.
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Old 06-30-2023, 11:04 AM
 
Location: West Midlands, England
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It's basic Economics 101, most of the Lower Midwest/Upper South has been bypassed for a very long period of time as most of the larger-scale economic and population growth has gone to the Sunbelt, Mountain West, and Coasts. Missouri is not relevant at all in terms of population demographics, economics, median household income, and is unlikely to gain relevancy due to the national pattern of very low migration as very few people move anymore. Missouri has the northern elements of not being a Right To Work state, and the southern elements of having a large religious Southern Baptist population in all but a few of the larger metropolitan counties. It has the worst of all the weather elements, including insane levels of heat and humidity in the summer, and cold and wind in the winter.
I don’t see your point. If it’s the same argument you keep making surrounding the high poverty, I’ve said it before, several places in America are struggling. So places with a large number of rundown places are actually representative of the national average whether people want to accept it or not.
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Old 07-01-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas
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It's basic Economics 101, most of the Lower Midwest/Upper South has been bypassed for a very long period of time as most of the larger-scale economic and population growth has gone to the Sunbelt, Mountain West, and Coasts. Missouri is not relevant at all in terms of population demographics, economics, median household income, and is unlikely to gain relevancy due to the national pattern of very low migration as very few people move anymore. Missouri has the northern elements of not being a Right To Work state, and the southern elements of having a large religious Southern Baptist population in all but a few of the larger metropolitan counties. It has the worst of all the weather elements, including insane levels of heat and humidity in the summer, and cold and wind in the winter.

I thought about moving to Missouri but I am getting a vibe that the locals are not welcoming of outsiders. I would be better off going elsewhere.
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Old 07-03-2023, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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I don’t see your point. If it’s the same argument you keep making surrounding the high poverty, I’ve said it before, several places in America are struggling. So places with a large number of rundown places are actually representative of the national average whether people want to accept it or not.
Yes, but I generally think below average places should be looked at just how they are, a snapshot at the current time, and there are ways they can be improved. Innovation and job growth has to occur more organically in below average places as no one really moves anymore in the US apparently.
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Old 07-03-2023, 02:37 PM
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Location: ^##
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Yes, but I generally think below average places should be looked at just how they are, a snapshot at the current time, and there are ways they can be improved. Innovation and job growth has to occur more organically in below average places as no one really moves anymore in the US apparently.
Average America isn't much to brag about anymore. Independence is pretty average and not far off the norm when all is taken into account, but I generally like it.
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Old 07-04-2023, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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I thought about moving to Missouri but I am getting a vibe that the locals are not welcoming of outsiders. I would be better off going elsewhere.
You live in Wichita, right? Is Wichita not likely to be the largest city in the country with that same type of "vibe" you're looking to avoid?

Live in/near KC or STL to start. You'll be fine. People are people are people.
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Old 07-05-2023, 10:42 AM
 
Location: West Midlands, England
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no one really moves anymore in the US apparently.
According to whom?
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Old 07-05-2023, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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According to whom?
The percentage people moving in the US is much lower compared to the past:

https://www.businessinsider.com/amer...changes-2022-8

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/u...g-states-.html
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Old 07-06-2023, 03:08 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I thought about moving to Missouri but I am getting a vibe that the locals are not welcoming of outsiders. I would be better off going elsewhere.
Better to realize that now than later.

I’m from there but I visit fairly often. I know people who, on a road trip, will drive several hundred miles to avoid staying in Missouri. That seems excessive but I can see their point in some areas.
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Old 07-07-2023, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Wichita, Kansas
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You live in Wichita, right? Is Wichita not likely to be the largest city in the country with that same type of "vibe" you're looking to avoid?

Live in/near KC or STL to start. You'll be fine. People are people are people.
I know. Wichita is not so welcoming to outsiders either. I just want to relocate to a larger metro area which is more racially diverse and has better job opportunities. I liked KC area so far based on the few visits I made.
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